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  •  The problem is, (19+ / 0-)

    The Russians seem to really not want this war.

    Putin has ice water flowing through those veins of his. He was willing to stand up to forces who wanted otherwise. Russia has its own interests of course. But if Assad didnt call for chemical weapons to be used, now that makes even more sense.

    Personally, I think he and Obama set up Kerry's "inadvertent" comment.

    Everybody and everything has moved too quickly since an "offhand, casual" comment was made.

    I wouldn't be surprised if the question was planted.

    © grover


    So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

    by grover on Tue Sep 10, 2013 at 06:30:27 AM PDT

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    •  In Obama's interviews last night, (5+ / 0-)
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      he did say that he an Putin had discussed Assad turning over his chemical weapons at the G20 meeting. Perhaps that's why the State Department so quickly sent the email clarifying that Kerry's statement was "rhetorical."

      Of course, Obama and Kerry have also repeatedly said the invasion would be about protecting our allies -- Jordan, Turkey, and Israel.

      As we speak, Kerry and Obama are at the House Armed Services Committee as we speak hawking a war.

      "Let each unique song be sung and the spell of differentiation be broken" - Winter Rabbit

      by cotterperson on Tue Sep 10, 2013 at 08:16:00 AM PDT

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      •  Everything is about "Saving face." (6+ / 0-)

        They'll push for war publically to make the hawks and certain allies happy even as they're negotiating to prevent the same war.

        Misdirection gives them space to work their magic in relative peace.  

        If the Syrians have agreed to work with the international community and if Putin and Obama (along with major allies like the Brits, Germans  and the French) agree on the best course of action, there will be no war.

        The Westerners look tough. Putin looks like he should earn a dang Nobel Peace Prize;  everyone stays out of a civil war until the MWD are removed.  

        Then MAYBE Putin and the Westerners are able to get each of their people to the table to negotiate a ceasefire that has some teeth to it.

        This has the added benefit of marginalizing AQ whom none of the major players seem to like very much.

        © grover


        So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

        by grover on Tue Sep 10, 2013 at 08:55:28 AM PDT

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    •  Me too. People's insistence that Kerry's (2+ / 0-)
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      performance has been a series of gaffe-ridden blunders blows my mind.

      The party of Kennedy is also the party of Eastland. The party of Javits is also the party of Goldwater. Where is our party? Where is the political party that will make it unnecessary to march on Washington?

      by SouthernLiberalinMD on Tue Sep 10, 2013 at 09:00:08 AM PDT

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      •  We're only meant to THINK (0+ / 0-)

        it's a series of gaffe ridden blunders.  It's actually Official United States Policy.  Feel better now?

        You may think that. I couldn't possibly comment.-- Francis Urqhart

        by Johnny Q on Tue Sep 10, 2013 at 12:35:38 PM PDT

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        •  You mistake me. I'm not saying it's good policy. (0+ / 0-)

          But if you seriously think Kerry was off the reservation in his table-thumping, Godwinesque bellicosity, you've got another think coming.

          It can't even be just rhetorical clumsiness (aka gaffes) because he hit the same damned talking points (bad ones) over and over again. Do you seriously think if Obama had a problem with what he was doing that Kerry would not have received a phone call telling him to stop it after the first speech?

          The Secretary of State (position) is like a highly skilled extra-prestigious version of Jay Carney, a Jay Carney intended for talking to the rest of the world. S/he is a mouthpiece for the Administration, and particularly for the POTUS. I see nothing in this episode that makes me think that's changed.

          Kerry was meant to be the crazy bellicose irrational dumb bad cop. Obama and Hagel were supposed to sit a bit further out of the spotlight looking judicious and being good cops (more or less).

          The party of Kennedy is also the party of Eastland. The party of Javits is also the party of Goldwater. Where is our party? Where is the political party that will make it unnecessary to march on Washington?

          by SouthernLiberalinMD on Wed Sep 11, 2013 at 08:22:11 AM PDT

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    •  And not because I think Kerry (2+ / 0-)
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      is incapable of making a gaffe or making blunders.

      The party of Kennedy is also the party of Eastland. The party of Javits is also the party of Goldwater. Where is our party? Where is the political party that will make it unnecessary to march on Washington?

      by SouthernLiberalinMD on Tue Sep 10, 2013 at 09:00:28 AM PDT

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      •  Heh. (1+ / 0-)
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        No, I watched him run for president in 2004 too. I campaigned for him. I cringed at times.

        He is quite capable.

        I agree with you.

        © grover


        So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

        by grover on Tue Sep 10, 2013 at 09:03:20 AM PDT

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        •  It's just completely implausible (3+ / 0-)
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          that were these a series of gaffe-ridden blunders that Obama, who by all accounts runs a tight ship, wouldn't remember he had a cell phone and Kerry's number and wouldn't have called him up and said "Hey, John? Ix-nay on the Itler-hay."

          The party of Kennedy is also the party of Eastland. The party of Javits is also the party of Goldwater. Where is our party? Where is the political party that will make it unnecessary to march on Washington?

          by SouthernLiberalinMD on Tue Sep 10, 2013 at 09:12:26 AM PDT

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    •  I think that Kerry just made an offhand remark (0+ / 0-)

      which made sense, that they'd been trying to do something diplomatically about the CW for years, and there was no movement, and there had been no sign Russia would play a constructive role.

      Now that the admin. has gone this far, committed this much to a military strike, I'm sure they won't back off on the hard rhetorical line until there is  substantive action by Assad to comply.
      I'm sure they'd love a diplomatic settlement that includes UN functionality. That would be a wonderful thing, a prize for the admin.

      It all depends on whether Russia and Syria are serious, or are just playing for time.

      You can't make this stuff up.

      by David54 on Tue Sep 10, 2013 at 09:21:25 AM PDT

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