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  •  I have to totally disagree (10+ / 0-)

    I think the admin totally messed up and Russia has taken advantage.

    1-First the Red line comment. It was evidently off hand and caught everyone off guard. There is a reason Presidents refrain from making unconditional declarations regarding hypotheticals. The President was boxed in.

    2- Sure enough not a year later the red line s crossed, although in the mean time there had been zero work to educate, engage, cajole, persuade, or even advise anyone on any plans to address the situation. There was no plan to enforce his declaration.

    3- Then the admin decides unilaterally (and again without any effort to bring others aboard) to intervene military without any congressional or UN approval or even consultation.

    4- With the British response and non partisan backlash at home, the WH changes its mind and will seek a vote, but not necessarily abide by it. Oh, and whatever we do it will not really be that much anyway. Now the WH seeks to enlist allies after weeks of flip flops and inconsistent statements.

    5- Meanwhile the SoS is going all Godwin about the severity of the threat and imperative of acting in a timely manner.

    6- Then Kerry makes another off the cuff remark "that Assad could turn over his stockpile a week".

    7- Which Putin sees as a lifeline to project his regional influence and protect his client, Assad (the one doing all, those horrid things that just 2 weeks ago necessitated a military strike).

    8- Then Kerry and State clarify that the proposal about weapons control was simply a "rhetorical argument" and not an actual proposal, adding that Assad "cannot be trusted" to take such action.

    9- But it was too late. The wheels are in motion for years of negations tallowing Assad to cling to power and escape accountability for his atrocities Plus, we have effectively outsourced the President's original purpose to the very people whom it would strike.

    That is not running rings around anything (other than logic), that is getting schooled by thugs.

    •  Well that's certainly an opinion (12+ / 0-)

      And a well formed one at that. But the fact cock-ups have been part of the process doesn't necessarily lead to 'schooled by thugs'.

      The Fall of the House of Murdoch -with Eric Lewis and all the latest Leveson evidence out now!

      by Brit on Wed Sep 11, 2013 at 03:36:34 PM PDT

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      •  Well (1+ / 0-)
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        I'd like to know "how being schooled" by Putin and Assad would look differently?

        The current state of affairs is certainly is not a result of forethought, planning, or strategy by this administration.

        The status quo would have been preferable:

         Assad does not have the imprimatur of the International Community, the US has not balked at its own very public promise, and the US has not abdicated leadership in the Middle east to Russia and Putin.

        •  You mean the status quo ante? (10+ / 0-)

          1. I'm not sure Assad has any imprimatur. The fact that most of Europe was unsure about immediate missile strikes does not make them fans of Assad.

          2. The red-line promise was a threat to retaliate if chemical weapons were used. That threat has been enjoined, not retracted. Clearly missile strikes haven't happened, but there are various other kinds of action other than pommelling sand.

          3. I really don't believe this enhances Putin's standing with anyone in the region, Assad excepted.

          The Fall of the House of Murdoch -with Eric Lewis and all the latest Leveson evidence out now!

          by Brit on Wed Sep 11, 2013 at 04:28:41 PM PDT

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          •  May I (3+ / 0-)
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            1- He certainly does gain stature now. He was pariah. Nw he will b entertained in negotiations by the US, Russia, France. etc.

            2- The red line was crossed. A threat was made. A threat was pulled off the table due to Kerry's gaffe and Putins savvy.That treat had not be enjoined- it has been replaced.  And until (if) there is International control with binding authority over Assad's Chem Weapons the he has gotten away with the crime. I agree there are other options- but the President didn't.

            3- Yes, this puts Putin in the driver's eat regarding this crisis- and makes him a player that the wasn't 2 weeks ago. And the President was correct allies and enemies are both watching to see who the strong horse is. Right now it is Russia.

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