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  •  Job killer? Love the idiocy of that statement... (4+ / 0-)

    If they raise the minimum wage to a level that you might actually be able to survive on it, there won't be any jobs from those who starve their workforce.

    Uh...So the F what!  Kill the starvation jobs.  Force Wal-Mart and other slave-wage factories out of the state or district. There will be others willing to pay a larger wage in order to access that market.

    Hey, if we really want to "create jobs" (but not a standard of living) why don't we just bring back slavery.  Lots work then for a fraction of the price.

    Tax and Spend I can understand. I can even understand Borrow and Spend. But Borrow and give Billionaires tax cuts? That I have a problem with.

    by LiberalCanuck on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 09:23:24 AM PDT

    •  Why not just have Costco take over the Walmart (3+ / 0-)

      sites if they withdraw?

      •  jpm - Costco and Walmart aren't in the same (7+ / 0-)

        business. I love Costco, and have one close to my home where I shop frequently. There is no Walmart near where I live. However, I have been to enough Walmart stores to understand that the two companies are not in the same business. Walmart is a full service general merchandise store focused on the individual retail customer. Costco is designed primarily as a wholesaler, with some big ticket personal items. People are willing to buy larger quantities at Costco because of the lower prices, but their primary market is to commercial accounts. There is one Costco in DC, and given their business model, that's likely enough. At some point Costco might open a second DC store, but their business model would not support six new locations.

        "let's talk about that"

        by VClib on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 10:15:45 AM PDT

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        •  I'm not familar enough with either of them (0+ / 0-)

          to say for sure.

          I know on DKos a number of people have said they go to Costco in lieu of going to Walmart.

          And the one time I was in a Costco it seemed to have a lot of stuff for an individual retail customer.

        •  Yes (3+ / 0-)
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          The Costco equivalent is the Walton's "Sam's Club", which is different from Walmart.

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          by Catte Nappe on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 11:36:17 AM PDT

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        •  FUCK Walmart (1+ / 0-)
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          If they can show that they can be a socially responsible company which pays decent wages and provides decent benefits and still make a sizeable profit, then they should go out of business.  

          Economics 101 clearly states that if there is a demand for a certain good or service, someone will eventually fill that demand.  That's the way the market works.  If Walmart pulls out and there is a demand for that type of retailer, then another company will fill that void.  

          Maybe a company like WinCo can fill that void.  A socially responsible which pays a generous living wage, provides excellent benefits, is owned by the workers and STILL manages to compete price wise with Walmart.

          So FUCK Walmart.  If they can't even pay their employees enough to live without the state supporting the employees and indirectly subsidizing the company then they should go out of business and make way for another company that can do all those things and still sell stuff at affordable prices.

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          by DisNoir36 on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 11:42:37 AM PDT

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          •  DisN - there is certainly nothing stopping (4+ / 0-)
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            WinCo from opening stores in the depressed sections of DC. Many of those areas haven't had a full service grocery or general merchandise store for decades. It would be great if WinCo came into that market and gave residents more options and living wage jobs as well.

            "let's talk about that"

            by VClib on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 11:48:15 AM PDT

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            •  Nothing stopping them except (1+ / 0-)
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              Geography.  They're primarily a NW regional chain.  Also, they're 1/100th the size of Walmart.  They certainly don't have same amount of clout with politicians in DC which would result in them getting favorable terms, tax breaks, mayors vetoing legislation which would force them to be responsible companies and so on.  

              But don't worry, Walmart as a business model is a failing one.  Their stores look like shit, their shelves are understocked, their suppliers hate them, theire employees hate them, their customers hate them, their profits aren't as rosy as they would like and their under increasing amounts of pressure from the Waltons and other shareholders to squeeze some more profits out of an already lean operation.  It's just a matter of time before they collapse under their own weight and when they do it will be chains like WinCo that will fill the void.    

              WinCo Foods was previously known as Waremart Foods. It changed its storefront name and the corporate name in 1999. “WinCo” stands for “Winning Company,” as is stated by the website, Eighty percent of the company is employee owned.

              About WinCo

              The beginning of WinCo Foods occurs back to 1967, when Bud Williams and Ralph Ward started a discount-grocery warehouse in Boise, Idaho. They named their store Waremart, and the name stayed the same until 1999. In 1985, the president at the time, Bill Long, purchased a majority interest of WinCo from the Ward family and gave it to the employees so that they had some real stake in the company. Ever since, the company has continued to grow.

              The company has fostered their success, it claims, by focusing on very large stores with a wide selection of national brands, but keeping their prices below the competition’s. Employees are said to have seen their employee stock ownership plan grow at an annual compounded growth rate of 21.51%. This makes for an extremely dedicated workforce. In 1998, WinCo was listed as the 266th on Forbes Magazine’s List of the 500 largest privately held companies, and in 2010 it was listed as the 65th on the list. They are considered 29th out of the 50 top grocery retailers, with a 0.6% share of the market.


              Annual Sales: By the end of the fiscal year 2010, the company reached $4.3 billion in total sales.

              Employees: WinCo currently has 13,000 employees and is continuing to grow.

              Store Locations: Currently there are 75 WinCo Supermarkets located in five states. These are:

              Corporate Responsibility

              WinCo Foods is committed to making the shopping experience greener. For example, they do not put an ad in the paper each week, which also helps save money for their customers. Their newer locations also have skylights to help save electricity. They are currently researching solar power technologies and other ways to reducing their carbon footprint. Other things that they are doing/considering are:
              Implementing energy efficient refrigeration and freezer equipment in their new stores and updating their old stores
              Using light systems with motion sensors so that the lights are only used when needed in certain areas
              Using LED lights wherever possible

              Responsible fuel consumption also is a focus of this company. They try to conserve fuel in the best way possible by using a transportation team to plan each trip, using the best route, and a maintenance team to ensure that each truck is kept in top shape. They also use state-of-the-art equipment to make the most out of every gallon of fuel.

              Aside from being green, WinCo Foods contributes to the community through its donations. For example, it donates to fundraisers for state-accredited schools nearby WinCo locations. This can be for the entire school or just a group related to the school. You can get information about how to apply for a donation by visiting their website:

              This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

              by DisNoir36 on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 12:00:53 PM PDT

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    •  There will be others willing to pay a larger wage? (4+ / 0-)
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      So what has stopped them until now?
      Its not like you see big retailers fighting among themselves over the right to build big  stores in DC blighted neighborhoods.

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      by The Revenge of Shakshuka on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 09:58:19 AM PDT

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