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  •  That was not his point. He said, very clearly (3+ / 0-)
    It doesn't make sense to raise minimum wage for some businesses but not others.
    without any basis in fact or economic theory.

    It may, in fact, not be sensible to raise the minimum wage in the particular way the DC ordinance structured it - or it may - but to say that minimum wage must be the same across the board regardless of any conceivable possible rationale or variation is ridiculous.

    •  One of the reasons "it doesn't make sense" is (3+ / 0-)
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      that those few business subject to that higher minimum wage won't be there.  

      So, yes, that is the point.

      •  He did not say "few businesses." (2+ / 0-)
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        His claim extended to it not making sense to allow 1 person businesses to pay $9.99/hr while demanding all other businesses pay $10.00/hr.  His claim said nothing about "a few businesses" vs lots of businesses.

        That you fail to acknowledge that this is what he is claiming and continue to make assertions about something else entirely shows your lack of willingingness to engage in a reasoned debate .

        So no, both you and he are being totally ingenuous and this discussion is at an end.

        •  This user's SOP: (0+ / 0-)
          That you fail to acknowledge that this is what he is claiming and continue to make assertions about something else entirely shows your lack of willingingness to engage in a reasoned debate .

          "Ça c'est une chanson que j'aurais vraiment aimé ne pas avoir écrite." -- Barbara

          by FogCityJohn on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 04:09:06 PM PDT

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    •  jpm - while there are certainly laws (2+ / 0-)
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      that treat some employers differently, such as exempting companies employing fewer than 50 employees from certain rules, or in some local cases 5 employees, are there examples of this concept of a tiered minimum wage?

      I think there is an issue of fundamental fairness to require certain employers to pay a different minimum wage than other employers. However, if this has been done in other cities I would be interested in how it has been implemented and what results have been shown.

      "let's talk about that"

      by VClib on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 10:08:12 AM PDT

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      •  In Brazil and Japan (2+ / 0-)
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        according to Wikipedia, minimum wage can vary by industry.

        I don't know about variation by number of employees, but it certainly seems to make as much sense as having other regulations vary by number of employees.

        San Francisco's minimum wage seems to have been applied to small businesses (10 or fewer) in a different manner than it was applied to larger ones when it was first passed.  I'm not sure whether any such distinction is still in effect.

      •  Well, here we go (1+ / 0-)
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        http://www.dailykos.com/...

        The Eureka Fair Wage Act, already qualified for the November general election in 2014 will raise the minimum wage to $12 an hour for larger employers.
    •  So if we raise (2+ / 0-)
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      the federal minimum wage to $20, will Wal Mart leave the country?

      Would that be a good thing or a bad thing in your world?  Because next I'd like to see fair trade.  

      It puts the lotion on its skin

      by Nada Lemming on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 11:19:39 AM PDT

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      •  If Congress did that just for Wal-Mart, (2+ / 0-)
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        there would be a severe Constitutional problem with that.  Congress can't pass a law to penalize a particular person -- or entity -- because they don't like them.

        If you raised it to $20 for everyone, you'd have far fewer unskilled workers with jobs, but those with jobs would be making $20.  At that level, it makes huge economic sense to automate everything you possibly can (you'd do your own touchscreen ordering in fast food outlets, for example, and they'd pay lots of money to automate as much of the food prep as possible) and anyone who can would send jobs overseas, where labor is cheaper.  

        Small minimum wage increases -- say to $8.50 or $9 -- won't have that kind of dramatic effect.  

        •  But it can regulate a single entity. (1+ / 0-)
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          I'm not aware of any constitutional prohibiton on that.

          If you have a case citation, please provide it.

          "Ça c'est une chanson que j'aurais vraiment aimé ne pas avoir écrite." -- Barbara

          by FogCityJohn on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 04:12:26 PM PDT

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        •  You are either (0+ / 0-)

          a republican or an idiot.  But I repeat myself.  

          It puts the lotion on its skin

          by Nada Lemming on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 10:30:08 PM PDT

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          •  NL - do you think Congress could pass a law (1+ / 0-)
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            requiring a higher minimum wage for one, single employer other than the federal government?

            It's a theoretical question because I don't think you could convince even a small minority of members of Congress that it would be a fair law, but I am curious if you think it would be legal.

            "let's talk about that"

            by VClib on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 10:46:07 PM PDT

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            •  Here is where we agree (1+ / 0-)
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              Singling out one employer seems to me to be a bill of attainder.  

              Raise the wage to livable or don't.  

              When I was a 21 year old father, I worked at Target full time, not as a manager, and I could afford to feed, house, and have medical care for my family.  I made 20 cents over minimum wage.  

              Something has gone terribly wrong, and it's a combination of things.  Minimum wage should be indexed like social security.  No working person should need government assistance for food, rent, and health care.  

              It puts the lotion on its skin

              by Nada Lemming on Sat Sep 14, 2013 at 10:04:02 AM PDT

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