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  •  yep (5+ / 0-)

    it's increasingly popular, overall, as the polls have shown over the past year. but i remember when being for choice and lgbt rights was going to cost us catholic voters, and thus states like ohio and pennsylvania. didn't turn out that way.

    particularly with demographic shifts, we can afford to lose the single issue gun obsessed democrats. we'll lose a seat here and there, and the nra will cunningly target soft targets like two democrats who greatly underperform in their districts, but we'll win what we need.

    The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

    by Laurence Lewis on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 11:03:42 AM PDT

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    •  whistling past the graveyard (4+ / 0-)
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      Laurence? You sound like those Republicans claiming that there was nothing wrong with their message in 2012 it was just that Romney wasn't good at selling it.

      "If you don't know where you are going, any road will get you there." Lewis Carroll

      by Wordsinthewind on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 12:26:43 PM PDT

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      •  read the post (5+ / 0-)

        the message is fine, the policy is fine, and the politics will be when we're not in an off-off year election.

        The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

        by Laurence Lewis on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 02:01:11 PM PDT

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        •  I did and disagreed (3+ / 0-)
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          which I thought was acceptable here, at least I don't see kos wailing because I won't substitute his judgment for my own.

          "If you don't know where you are going, any road will get you there." Lewis Carroll

          by Wordsinthewind on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 02:22:59 PM PDT

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          •  disagreement is fine (4+ / 0-)
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            i hope that actively working to hand democratic seats over to republicans isn't.

            The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

            by Laurence Lewis on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 02:30:53 PM PDT

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            •  so you're reduced to (3+ / 0-)
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              slurs and innuendo? No thanks LL but I do thank you for exposing your petulance. Not anything I have posted would lead to that conclusion but if you feel you must insult in order to feel vindicated there isn't anything I can do about it.

              "If you don't know where you are going, any road will get you there." Lewis Carroll

              by Wordsinthewind on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 02:50:48 PM PDT

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            •  We warned you, and others who supported.... (8+ / 0-)

              the gun control push, not to push the issue, and warned of the consequences.

              We did our best to SAVE thethose seats, but you didn't listen.

              "Reap what you sow" is seldom so apt.....

              Your hate-mail will be graded.

              by PavePusher on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 03:42:39 PM PDT

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              •  We do not abandon our beliefs (5+ / 0-)

                for political expediency.  I believe there's a rich history of that in the Democratic party.

                Even despite your warnings.  In fact, your warnings and current celebratory dances are pretty meaningless to us.

                But knock yourselves out.

                I blog about my daughter with autism at her website

                by coquiero on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 04:28:12 PM PDT

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                •  You are right.... we don't. (3+ / 0-)
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                  I'm not dancing, I'm drinking.  In sorrow.  Because you wouldn't listen.

                  As the saying goes, "With friends like these..."...

                  Your hate-mail will be graded.

                  by PavePusher on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 05:14:36 PM PDT

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                •  I'm seriously wondering what beliefs are (3+ / 0-)
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                  worth another 30 yrs of Republicanism.  Haven't we had enough destruction in this nation because of their "trickle down theories", "tax breaks for the wealthy", the selling off of our infrastructure and outsourcing any and all jobs to slave labored nations?

                  Haven't we had enough???  Isn't 133,000 Americans lives ended too soon each and every year because of perpetual poverty that they've forced the majority of us into???

                  Haven't we had enough of their "three strikes you're out" rules that have generationally destroyed millions of American lives?  

                  Haven't we had enough of them starting wars, committing war crimes and granting retroactive immunity to the Banksters to last 10 lifetimes???

                  That's right, refusing to "compromise your beliefs for political expediency" means that millions more will suffer every single day for the rest of their lives!

                  I seriously think you're mistaken to believe any of us are celebrating this!  Sadly you made this bed, now we all have to sleep in it and suffer the consequences.

                  Thanks for nothing!

                  -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

                  by gerrilea on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 07:34:11 PM PDT

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                •  I would never ask you to. (0+ / 0-)

                  I will just ask you to be aware of the consequences of making any change to any system (not just firearms laws).  These observations about systems are helpful for anyone who is left of center.  

                  Read this:  http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/...

                  http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/...

                  http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/...

                  http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/...

                  Then get back to me.  

                  I'm a 4 Freedoms Democrat.

                  by DavidMS on Sat Sep 14, 2013 at 04:48:32 AM PDT

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              •  More to the point (3+ / 0-)
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                There's room for fixing the inadequacies of the NICS.
                There's expanding the application of the NICS to personal transactions, known as "the gunshow loophole". That expansion applied to transfers of all firearms, in any location.  
                There's room for improvement on mental health services and reporting of persons, who like Holmes in Colorado, was a danger to others - and raised concerns with his mental health counselor.  

                I'll even toss the ban on ridiculously large magazines in.  Ban everything over 36 rounds.  No grandfather clause.  Turn it in, get a $10 credit, or be caught with it, and face a $1000 fine and a top level misdemeanor charge.

                NOT ENOUGH you say.
                Then there's the scheduled AWB II victory lap.  
                When that sputtered to a halt in Congress, Colorado was to "send a message".

                That message is:
                The will of Diane Feinstein, The Party, MAIG, and The Brady Campaign will not be resisted.
                Oh, and the President. Shotgun Joe too, almost forgot Shotgun Joe.  
                (what is it with VPs and shotguns?)

                What I'm reading here tonight is this:
                Either you're on-board with The Message, or get the fuck out of the Democratic party, as we plan to run candidates who are ON MESSAGE ONLY until hell freezes over.
                Leave your Credit Card information at the door, on your way out.
                We'll take your money - but do us a favor and STFU if you're not ON-MESSAGE.

                We're your betters.  You fucking hicks need to take a seat, follow the cue cards, and otherwise: Shut. The. Fuck. Up.

                Way to build a party.  
                Which party - is debatable.

                The country was in peril; he was jeopardizing his traditional rights of freedom and independence by daring to exercise them.” ~ Joseph Heller, Catch-22

                by 43north on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 07:46:14 PM PDT

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                •  I am reading this too late for leaving a tip. (1+ / 0-)
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                  I'd like to see these four ideas move forward.  

                  There's room for fixing the inadequacies of the NICS.

                  There's expanding the application of the NICS to personal transactions, known as "the gunshow loophole". That expansion applied to transfers of all firearms, in any location.  

                  There's room for improvement on mental health services and reporting of persons, who like Holmes in Colorado, was a danger to others - and raised concerns with his mental health counselor.  

                  I'll even toss the ban on ridiculously large magazines in.  Ban everything over 36 rounds.  No grandfather clause.  Turn it in, get a $10 credit, or be caught with it, and face a $1000 fine and a top level misdemeanor charge.

                  (sent a message)

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