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View Diary: Nine months and 23,000 shot dead since Sandy Hook (41 comments)

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  •  I think the diarist's phrasing is ok. (7+ / 0-)

    Shamash, there's an open thread tonight, and we can discuss, ah, erm, argue in a friendly way there if you like.  

    •  Nothing but the same old "suicides don't count (0+ / 0-)

      and are not violent ..." from the apologists that still have never explained what rights are violated by any of the laws passed in Colorado or any of those proposed by POTUS. That because the answer is none! Sure they gloat that the NRA won in Colorado and keep trying to silence any discussion of their sacred idols.

      “In keeping silent about evil, in burying it so deep within us that no sign of it appears on the surface, we are implanting it … we are thereby ripping the foundations of justice from beneath new generations.” - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

      by DefendOurConstitution on Sat Sep 14, 2013 at 04:57:47 AM PDT

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      •  I have seen comments ... (0+ / 0-)

        ... indicating that deaths by suicide should not be counted when talking about the toll of firearms.  But I took S's comment as a point of precision in use of language, albeit one made in a way that had potential for leading to an argument.  

        Now, taking issue with "23,000 deaths by firearm" because that number includes suicides would have been a different story.

        (I would have tipped if your comment hadn't timed out by the time I saw it.)    

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