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  •  Let's see, this diarist might simply identify (1+ / 0-)
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    everyone who isn't instantly dazzled by his maneuverings
    as a troll, but to mix cinematic metaphors, an Obi-Wan Kenobi just might identify the diarist as a "grasshopper."

    And Yoda might have been an eccentric character, but at least he wasn't full of himself.

    "The soil under the grass is dreaming of a young forest, and under the pavement the soil is dreaming of grass."--Wendell Berry

    by Wildthumb on Sun Sep 15, 2013 at 03:00:48 PM PDT

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    •  I will not employ my dazzling use of the force (7+ / 0-)

      on these two comments.

      Restraint is a Jedi virtue as well.

      So is snark.

      "If the Jew who struggles for justice for Palestine is considered anti-Semitic, & if Palestinians seeking self-determination are so accused...then no oppositional move can take place w/o risking the accusation." - Judith Butler

      by David Harris Gershon on Sun Sep 15, 2013 at 03:05:48 PM PDT

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      •  Funny. I just got this rush of feeling, as if a (3+ / 0-)
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        magic wand was passed over me, Harry Potter-like.

        Shoot a gallon to me, Allen.

        "The soil under the grass is dreaming of a young forest, and under the pavement the soil is dreaming of grass."--Wendell Berry

        by Wildthumb on Sun Sep 15, 2013 at 03:11:23 PM PDT

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        •  Recc'd for the Nervous Norvus reference. (4+ / 0-)

          Was that the Transfusion you were looking for?

          •  The "shoot a gallon to me Allen" was sometimes (1+ / 0-)
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            incorporated into that old Ink Spots' song, "The Java Jive" by an artist I can't remember now. I don't think it was Nervous Norvus.

            But it turns out I made a mishmash of the quote, because I mixed "Put a gallon in me, Allen," with "shoot me the juice, Bruce." But forgive me, I haven't heard the original quotes since I was a kid, and you know about human memory playing tricks on us.

            I sometimes tease the baristas where I go for coffee with a "shoot me the juice, Bruce."

            "The soil under the grass is dreaming of a young forest, and under the pavement the soil is dreaming of grass."--Wendell Berry

            by Wildthumb on Sun Sep 15, 2013 at 06:44:43 PM PDT

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            •  It was wrong? Who knew? (0+ / 0-)

              Nervous Norvus was front and center on the "Loony Tunes" album that my sister and I got from my parents one Chanukah back in the day. We wore out that thing within a year.

              Thank God the Stan Freberg and Bill Cosby albums held up better.

              •  You're right. Who knew? (1+ / 0-)
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                I might as well have been musing about 12th-century candlemaking.

                The heyday of the Ink Spots was the late forties, when there were other songs around like "Open the Door, Richard."

                God, did I love Stan Freberg's stuff. He was part of the old
                Time for Beany crew.

                "The soil under the grass is dreaming of a young forest, and under the pavement the soil is dreaming of grass."--Wendell Berry

                by Wildthumb on Sun Sep 15, 2013 at 07:41:25 PM PDT

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      •  Well played sir (6+ / 0-)

        My point is that the accusation of "trolling" is way overdone in political debates.

        Your initial reply to Fat Bastard, challenging the premise of her/his question, is good debating 101. The pot/kettle insult trade didn't continue that. It was garden variety flame war tactics.  

        I find it better to presume good faith in all but the most egregious of debating partners.  If one one is not arguing in good faith, you can drive them to reveal t by simply repeatedly asking them to pacify and expand upon their core assumptions.  It's called "active listening," where you attempt to rephrase how you understand the substance of an opposed  view.  If someone is really tolling they can't deal with this and usually flip out. But if they aren't you may have a genuine handle to affect their thinking and maybe even shift their understanding.

        That is the point of political debate.  Not winning arguments, but changing minds.  You will not change the minds of those who may disagree on principled grounds  (even if you are strongly opposed to their principles) by dismissing them immediately as "trolls" just for engaging you critically.  

        I just find the instant branding of opposition as "trolling" unhelpful, certainly on dKos, where it happens constantly.

        Of course, I never read Reddit. So I have no idea about their site culture.

      •  I laughed at all of the self-congratulatory (4+ / 0-)

        "Jedi" comments.  You need MUCH better examples before you can make a claim like that.

        This diary had too much of a "smartest guy in the room" vibe for me.

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