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  •  Disagree (5+ / 0-)

    The goal was ALWAYS to secure the WMDs peacefully.

    We are not talking about the Bush Administration here, folks.

    •  The Pee Wee Herman "Meant to do that" (10+ / 0-)

      arguments don't pass the laugh test.

      It's not that different from the Cuban Missile Crisis.  We came needlessly close to the brink of a massive war only to achieve a result that easily could have been had with very little risk before shit escalated.

      "But the traitors will pretend / that it's gettin' near the end / when it's beginning" P. Ochs

      by JesseCW on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 07:40:51 PM PDT

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      •  JesseCW, you may want to (3+ / 0-)
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        review the role that JFK played in putting a tight leash on the Pentagon during the Cuban Missile Crisis.

        •  Obama did a good job of standing up the hawks (4+ / 0-)

          who again massively overestimated our military invincibility.

          Less so the Military themselves this time, that's true.  

          But Kennedy could have cut the same deal to get our outdated missiles out of Turkey without the idiotic standoff.

          And Obama could have cut a deal with Putin without this stupidity, too.

          That doesn't change the fact that in both cases, they decided to step away from the brink and choose peace instead of needless war.

          But Khrushchev didn't pull the missiles out of Cuba because Kennedy was "tough".  And Putin didn't leverage Assad to lock down Syria's chemical weapons because Obama was "tough" either.

          In both cases, everyone was wise enough to chose to act in their own rational best interest rather than kill a bunch of people over something that could have easily been resolved with no posturing at all.

          "But the traitors will pretend / that it's gettin' near the end / when it's beginning" P. Ochs

          by JesseCW on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 09:31:36 PM PDT

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      •  Yeah, remember all the fans of limited strikes who (9+ / 0-)

        were also posting non-stop about the need to sit down and discuss this with Mr Putin? Before UK Parliament voted Cameron down?

        This place was lousy with "We need to talk this out!" diaries from our "Send a message" hawks...not.

        Teh Memory Hole lives on.

        As of 9pm 8/30/13: RETIRED Pie Warrior. Substance over Sh*t Flinging (as best as I am able) ~ JV

        by JVolvo on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 08:37:26 PM PDT

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        •  Sure was. (1+ / 0-)
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          Ho boy.

          It was all "We need to rattle sabres so Putin blinks and there is a political solution!" and definitely not anything about "we gotta do SOMETHING, think of the CHILDREN!"

          Funny how all the hawks on this site who knew that a pointless military strike was literally the only option now know that "making Putin blink" was the plan all along!

          Banking on the American people to be able to sort all this out and declare the adult in the room the winner is a very big bet. -Digby

          by Boogalord on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 11:51:37 AM PDT

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    •  Your blind faith is touching (2+ / 0-)
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      Shliapnikov, shaharazade

      Syria and Libya were on the PNAC list. Coincidence?

    •  Even if it was (and I don't believe it was) (0+ / 0-)

      it was a big, dumb gambit that made us look like a big, dumb bully until Putin calmed down the situation by taking the deal that both Kerry and the DOD said was never really on the table in between the old chestnuts about WMDs and Godwin rhetoric.

      Banking on the American people to be able to sort all this out and declare the adult in the room the winner is a very big bet. -Digby

      by Boogalord on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 11:54:23 AM PDT

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