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  •  You mean when the police attacked us (19+ / 0-)

    and then no one seemed to care? I wonder why the issue of police violence might have been brought up. It's hard to focus on other things when the police are constantly attacking you.

    •  In acts of civil disobedience (1+ / 0-)
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      duhban

      You're supposed to be happy to go to jail. The whole point is to make enforcement of what you're protesting unfeasible. In order for that to be effective there has to be a clear correlation between what laws you are breaking and your cause. I think OWS failed to make that clear.

      •  I never signed up to be a martyr (6+ / 0-)

        and I don't accept the outdated ideal that there must be some sacrifice for my actions to be meaningful. I understand the probable punishments for my actions, but that doesn't mean that I deserve those punishments.

        •  I am amazed (5+ / 0-)
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          at how too many people believe that those espousing change must somehow pay a physical price in order for their message to become validated.  Martyrdom and/or physical suffering is not the purpose of groups such as Occupy or anti war groups.  The purpose is to call attention to the problems, engage the public at large, and create a sea of social change.

          "I don't want to run the empire, I want to bring it down!" ~ Dr. Cornel West speaking to Occupy Tallahassee on January 18, 2012

          by gulfgal98 on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 03:44:48 PM PDT

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          •  If Freedom Riders followed that logic (1+ / 0-)
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            Then they would have only held sit-ins in desegregated restaurants. Anti-war activists also have deliberately gone to jail out of protest. I'm not saying that's what Occupy should have done, but if they didn't want to get arrested or forcibly removed then they had to do whatever the local enforcement said no matter how unfair it seemed. Why do you think there wasn't the same incidents in redder parts of the country? Police chiefs in redneckistan would take great pride in smashing hippie heads and boasting about it on Fox, and the Occupiers knew it.

            •  You don't understand (5+ / 0-)

              I realize that sometimes sacrifice is necessary, but criticizing for a lack of sacrifice doesn't help. That sort of civil disobedience does require sacrifice because the violence involved is what they're protesting against. When we march down the street we shouldn't have to worry about that. OWS wasn't really about civil disobedience. Civil disobedience is when you violate an unjust law to protest it. There were no laws that OWS could violate that would protest those laws to get rid of them. Direct action in the form of blocking banks and such was a good tactic, but direct action is better if you don't get caught and punished for it because then you can go do it another day.

              The focus on arrests was a big problem from occupy. It was seen as being something more important than it really was. A cult of sacrifice has been built from those civil rights victories and it just isn't warranted.

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