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  •  Lot of people in both parties still support (7+ / 0-)

    the status quo, w/o having it really sink in how far we have gone towards becoming an oligarchy.

    We were actually in this spot before, and in the Progressive Era we got serious anti-trust efforts (such as the breakup of Standard Oil), political reforms (such as direct election of Senators) and the introduction of the income tax. There was enough political will from the top on down to get this done. We need to do it again, now, and start to wind down the huge and pernicious influence of big money on politics.

    •  Indeed, Slightly Wobbly, New Deal = Occupy (1+ / 0-)
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      isabelle hayes

      Essentially they are two sides of the same coin. Oddly, everything that OWS wants is built into a proven blueprint which Gooserock alludes to with New Deal Politics and the points made by Gooserock pertaining to the late 40's through the mid 60's. Union support was also through the roof during that period which also allowed for most of the country's wealth to be in the pockets of a middle class which provided us huge economic competition inside the US and distributed outside of it as well. Sadly, many of OWS' supporters don't get that and want to re-invent the wheel.

      And we all need to get in front of our electoral system which demands one must buy a seat to hold political power within an office. We need a level playing field where our culture demands that each candidate receives the same amount of resources and demonstrates which one can use them more effectively to gain office.

      •  The fact that you point out unions and then (3+ / 0-)
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        follow that up immediately with talking about needing to get in front of our electoral system says to me that you aren't really familiar with the history of labor in our country. Unions grew to their strongest from organizing outside the electoral system. Eventually they got representation when they were a force to be reckoned with in their own right. They did not just jump into elections as a strategy.

        •  And they may do that again. But remember... (0+ / 0-)

          ... it wasn't until they became a major force in the electoral system that their demands were finally met and legally codified by Washington.

          •  And ever since they were legally codified they've (5+ / 0-)
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            been losing ground. The top down approach that the current unions are using was not what built unions, it was a bottom up approach. And the union movement won a lot of their demands through strikes prior to Taft-Hartley and the following regulations. And then they were defanged by legislation and accepted it. Now we're where we are because of it.

            •  Sure. Unions need to reinvent themselves. (0+ / 0-)

              I've been saying that for years and perhaps they are. Look at the $15.00 per hour strikes, occurring even before the unions have gotten there. They need a repeal r modification of Taft-Hartley and such. They need corporations to jump through as many hoops to spend a dollar on political stuff as they do. Or eliminate the spending of money by corporations an unions as well. Unions can still organize and volunteer time for campaigns. Even if money not spent by private citizens were outlawed they'd still be a force to be reckoned with.

              Come to think of it, why aren't OWS and unions teaming up? Again, I think the unions may well be willing to. But would that still be too 'political' for some OWS stalwarts?

              •  OWS and Unions *did* team up (2+ / 0-)
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                gulfgal98, JayRaye

                And in many cases the connections are still there and strong. OWS couldn't have happened without union help.

                And changing T-H means electoral victory or influence outside of elections. Most of what you're talking about requires those things.

                •  Good. That was not so much on my radar (0+ / 0-)

                  Perhaps from there it will be one more step towards taking back the Democratic party. That's an occupation we all need.

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