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  •  because many of us see free expression as (3+ / 0-)
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    Noisy Democrat, Be Skeptical, gzodik

    an inalienable human right, not just a constitutional right.

    I have problems with Holocaust denial laws, too--although I can certainly understand them in light of the actual holocaust.

    The other aspect of the Danish case which makes it far more disturbing is that they've been frightened by why happened with the cartoon incident.  In short, a couple of lunatics scored a victory against freedom of speech.

    How much to you want to wager that she wouldn't have been fined/sentenced had the cartoon  incident never happened?

    The degree to which we've actually paid attention to the demands of a tiny group of criminals is frightening, to say the least.  

    •  The problem is that it isn't a tiny group (2+ / 0-)
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      Luftmensch, Be Skeptical

      The people who carry signs saying "Behead those who insult Islam" don't speak for all Muslims, but they speak for quite a few -- enough that there were massive riots over the cartoons.  

      •  i just mean a tiny group who were actually doing (2+ / 0-)
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        Noisy Democrat, AoT

        the threatening.  This whole 'Don't Show Mohammed' thing is really pretty new--no one would have rioted over such a thing 20 years ago.

        It's a small group of mobilizers who are getting all of this going.  The fact that they have been effective is scary.

        •  Some studies indicate that about 5% of Muslims (1+ / 0-)
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          worldwide are totally on board with the jihad-to-establish-Islamic-dominance-worldwide project. That would be about 70 million people worldwide, though no doubt far fewer than a million in most Western countries. But then more get activated and dragged into things, and as you said, the fact that the mobilizers can make that happen is scary.

          The Nazis weren't originally supported by the majority of Germans, but they were able to exert leverage to get more Germans to go along with their program.  

          •  Do you know how many people I've heard say (2+ / 0-)
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            Eric K, JDsg

            we should just nuke Mecca here in the US. I bet it's more than 5% of the population. This is hyped up nonsense that even you admit most Muslims don't support.

            •  What is hyped up nonsense? (2+ / 0-)
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              Luftmensch, Kane in CA

              The violent and non-violent jihadist movements around the world are very serious and organized, and they're making progress. Of course we shouldn't nuke Mecca. But we need to take the threat seriously, not act like climate change deniers and hope it'll all go away.

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