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  •  In her case is stupid speech more than hate speech (0+ / 0-)

    Still there must be a limit somewhere.  Humans don't know when to stop.  letting people be constantly harassed and insulted  is not an acceptable choice.
    Hate speech is pretty much bullying to the nth degree and there is more and more calls to do something about that.

    Un pour tous et tous pour un aka United we stand

    by livebyChocolate on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 11:09:26 AM PDT

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    •  I couldn't disagree more...... (3+ / 0-)
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      You can ignore her. You can insult her back. You can try to educate her. But no, you don't get to tell her what she can or can't say. Her statements were in a blog post, which by it's very nature means nobody was forced to be exposed to it. This isn't like grown ass protestants calling young Catholic girls "papist whores" or whatever to their faces while they were walking to school in Northern Ireland.

      And frankly, it's bit disturbing that a woman complaining about the treatment of women in Islamic cultures is basically told to shut her mouth, and pay a fine or go to jail. That's far more offensive than any blog post could possibly be.

      •  She can complain about how women are treated (1+ / 0-)
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        And There is so much to be said. But she can't incite hatred by basically saying Muslim men are a bunch of daughter rapists.

        Un pour tous et tous pour un aka United we stand

        by livebyChocolate on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 01:10:48 PM PDT

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        •  If that incites hatred or violence... (2+ / 0-)
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          That is on the people who respond to her statements that way. Not her.

          •  Sigh!!! (0+ / 0-)

            Un pour tous et tous pour un aka United we stand

            by livebyChocolate on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 04:18:06 PM PDT

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            •  Sigh is right..... (2+ / 0-)
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              As was pointed out, there have been plenty of people on this site, including myself, and elsewhere that have talked about the culture of child rape within the Catholic Church. I don't recall anybody justifying criminalizing those statements. Certainly, Islam deals with similarly disgusting problems. Yes, including child rape.

              But because making those statements incites violent responses among certain Muslim fundamentalists (as we've seen before), we should, what, acquiesce to standards of speech as dictated by those same fundamentalists? Hell no. Why? What and whose RIGHTS did she violate?

              •  I actually agree (1+ / 0-)
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                that she can criticize to her heart's content.
                My problem is how do we deal with slander and propaganda.  When someone distracts with hideous untruth (partly what this person said) , we don't talk about real problems such as domestic rape with complete impunity, acid burning, excision etc. And a lot of it is cultural and uses religion as a smokescreen. Government can have a role but not by criminalizing; the what people of good will can do is up for debate.

                Un pour tous et tous pour un aka United we stand

                by livebyChocolate on Thu Sep 19, 2013 at 05:36:02 AM PDT

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            •  I find sighs an obscene and a hateful mocking (0+ / 0-)

              of those who will only refer to The Lord using non-verbal wispy expirations of air or faint gasps,  
              30 days for you.

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