Skip to main content

View Diary: Frank Rich "State-Sponsored Terrorism!" (197 comments)

Comment Preferences

  •  Blaming the People is More Incorrect Than Saying (27+ / 0-)

    they're soft on financial regulation and crime.

    After all we have complete authority to regulate and enforce finance in so many ways and degrees. The 40 year dismantlement of the middle class was overwhelmingly accomplished through elections and legislation.

    But with guns we start with the 2nd Amendment, and historic factors like the settling of lands east of the Atlantic coast and the Civil War. The basic fact of widespread gun ownership is out of the hands of the people short of an unimaginable majority to join most of the advanced nation in not having a fundamental gun right.

    Also the process of dismantling the middle class has transformed government into a democratic oligarchy where, despite our ability to vote, overwhelmingly what we're electing are representatives of the oligarchs.

    2/3 of Americans do not own guns; up to 90% favor gun control laws such as universal background checks but there is no chance of this democratic oligarchy honoring a 90% popular preference in the face of oligarch objections.

    This isn't the country shown in the brochures, hasn't been for well over a generation, and it doesn't work as described in them either. Claims that something that's wrong with it is the fault of the people are extraordinary claims and they require extraordinary evidence.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 07:21:20 PM PDT

    •  Excellent point (16+ / 0-)

      I should have made it myself in the diary. I disagree with Franks Rich about the people playing a part.

      After the Newtown massacre last December of a first grade classroom and with 90% of the people in support of the background checks, when the bill stalled in the Senate, I decided they, as in the Senate, have almost noting to do with the people.  

      I'm including the 54 that didn't do much to stand up to the gun lobby's lies about heavily watered down legislation. I'm including the President who did not call the four Democrats responsible for killing the bill to read them the riot act. I'm including Harry Reid for not being able to get it done and now he's all about "We just don't have the votes."

      That was enough for me to just give up on the whole fucking lot. And I expect nothing anymore from them. Just a whole bunch of coming news cycles dominated by stories of more mass shootings.

      •  90% preference is slightly misleading (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:

        The problem is that while 90% favor more stringent gun regulations, the position is not a passionate one and is thus not a deteriminate in voting preference.  In contrast those who favor "2nd amendment rights" base their voting decisions primarily on that issue.  It's enough of an imbalance to reliably tip the scales against gun control.  Cast a vote that is mildly supported by a large majority, but is not likely to get their votes in the next election, or anger the gun nuts, who will definitely turn out for the challenger in the next election.

        It's a similar dynamic with abortion rights.  Many women vote republican despite favoring abortion rights, but among those who oppose abortion, few of them vote democratic.

        "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

        by Subterranean on Thu Sep 19, 2013 at 11:20:05 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

Subscribe or Donate to support Daily Kos.

Click here for the mobile view of the site