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  •  Giron lost by twelve points. Mail-in voting (1+ / 0-)
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    wouldn't have helped her.

    In any case when you are talking about two Senators being recalled in a state that had never had so much as a successful recall petition in its entire history, where both were in Democratic precincts, both of which voted for Obama (by 19 points in one case) & outspent their opponents 6-to-1 it is weak sauce to make excuses.

    Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

    by FrankRose on Thu Sep 19, 2013 at 07:57:38 AM PDT

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    •  Not an excuse - it's a fact, Colorado has a huge (5+ / 0-)

      % who vote by mail.

      The so-called recalls were actually a good example of the pathetic shape of the pro-gun lobby:

      1. Signature gatherers were paid - where were the supposed legions of disgruntalled pro gun folks who were going to come out of the wood work to kick the gun grabbers out? They had to be PAID to do this?

      2. Dead people showed up as supporters of the recall on the sig lists, as did people out of district, ineligible, etc. In other words - the recallers STRUGGLED to get the support they needed.

      3. Mail in voting was pulled about a month before the election causing confusion, etc., and without a doubt cut into Dems vote totals. With mail in voting, John Morse is still state senate president and the recall would have favored Dems and the pro gun safety side - 4-to-1. Instead, the gun lobby could only recall 2 out of 19 who voted for gun safety and of the 4 cherry picked districts they wanted to recall the most - only two of those succeeded, and one of those by only 300 votes.

      4. The gun lobby poured much more money into this than can be publicly reported - you can be sure of that.

      Wow, Frank. That's some powerful gun lobby you got there.

      Can't wait for the real elections when people are actually paying attention and they can vote by mail.

      •  That's not 'fact', that's speculation & conspiracy (0+ / 0-)

        Even Morse conceded the validity of the signatures & 20%-30% of Democrats voted for the recall.

        Giron got curb-stomped by 12 points. Not even in the rosiest case would mail-in votes make a difference.

        But I'm glad you've managed to concede that voters aren't inspired to come & vote for someone that promises to punish them for the crimes of murderers.

        "gun lobby"
        You are correct. The gun lobby isn't powerful.
        But the voters are.

        You just keep those excuses warmed-up.
        You're going to need them.

        Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

        by FrankRose on Thu Sep 19, 2013 at 03:33:15 PM PDT

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