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  •  Not clear and not so (2+ / 0-)
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    The Iranians have also been supporting Assad and it is clearly expensive to the Iranians.

    It is unclear how expensive it has been for Russia as it is unclear how much Russia has given Syria as opposed to sold to Syria.

    •  Of course the Iranians have been supporting it. (4+ / 0-)

      But the Iranians are strapped for cash -- to put it mildly.  The Russians are much better off.  And of course neither can hold a candle to AQ's financiers in Saudi Arabia, Qatar, etc.  

      But the question of what Russia has given (as opposed to sold) to Syria is a good one, because no doubt Syria is out of money too.  Pooty-Poot has never impressed me as a terribly generous guy.  

      Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

      by corvo on Thu Sep 19, 2013 at 02:17:33 PM PDT

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    •  Maybe new Iranian leadership had smth to do with (0+ / 0-)

      it?

    •  That's an odd comment. (4+ / 0-)

      We know Russia's business commitments in Russia:

      Russia's military contracts with Syria come in around $4 billion, with something like $1.5 billion already honored.

      Russia's economic trade with Syria is about a billion dollars a year in exports, plus contracts and investments up to $20 billion.  

      Wikipedia, but the sourcing is all good.

      War is good business, but its investments, including natural gas, are worth a lot more.  Russia has a lot to lose here.

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      by pico on Thu Sep 19, 2013 at 03:26:12 PM PDT

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    •  And how much rent they've paid (3+ / 0-)
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      Those who are hot to trot for attacking Syria forget there's a Russian naval base at Latakia, one of the more logical regions for the al-Nusra Missile Corps to strike.  Suppose we issue the standard "shocknawe" missile attack on Syria, and this time some of the "good ol' collateral damage" is a Russian military building, or warship?  Is that what the suddenly superhawk Democratic Party actually wants?  To "prove its manhood" by engaging in provocation with the Russians?  Counting on them rolling over for US power instead of standing up for their own dead?  Not a bet I'd want to make.  But then, who am I?  Just a former NSA Russian linguist, I wouldn't understand anything about the way they think.  Trust a "pragmatic centrist" party operative more on such questions, of course.  We're all Americans here!  Democrats, booyah!  (Isn't one Booyah Party already more than enough?)

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      by ActivistGuy on Thu Sep 19, 2013 at 06:20:00 PM PDT

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      •  Well, we DID pulverize an entire (2+ / 0-)
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        Chinese embassy in Belgrade once -- and under a nominally Democratic president to boot -- and the Chinese didn't fight back.   And all our enemies are alike, right?

        Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

        by corvo on Thu Sep 19, 2013 at 06:55:14 PM PDT

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