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  •  Bad analogy (6+ / 0-)

    seriously BAD analogy.

    In your example, a whole bunch of kids are about to kill and be killed. In PPACA, all we're doing is demanding insurance companies to offer actual insurance and offering options as we try to find cheaper ways to cover those who currently use the emergency room for office-style treatment.

    Nobody believe PPACA is going to kill people. Well, nobody who isn't a Foxbot.

    •  My point is (1+ / 0-)
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      The poster imputes political motives on the opposition without foundation. The GOP has always been extremely opposed to the ACA and are on record as saying it is bad policy.

      The argument is that Repubs "really know" it's good policy but they are opposing for political reasons. It is simpler to think that they oppose it because they really think the ACA is bad policy.

      In any case, we will see shortly if it is good or bad policy.

      (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
      Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

      by Sparhawk on Thu Sep 26, 2013 at 07:49:27 AM PDT

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      •  A theory disproven (1+ / 0-)
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        by the fact that MOST OF THE BILL came from Republican think-tanks.

        And the bill was written by 6 Senators mostly, 3 conservative Democrats and 3 Republicans.

        The GOP opposes it because they've driven themselves into the mud, where TV and radio shock jocks are calling their shots. They rouse the rabble inanely and keep poking those buttons to move their "base" past all rational thought or reason, and now they have to feed the beast or be devoured by it.

        ACA is BAD policy - for the investor class, the medical profiteers (including, by the way, the doctors who rape the system) and private insurance companies.

        I call that a win.

        •  Uh huh (0+ / 0-)
          A theory disproven (1+ / 0-)
          by the fact that MOST OF THE BILL came from Republican think-tanks.
          And the bill was written by 6 Senators mostly, 3 conservative Democrats and 3 Republicans.
          How many Repub votes did the ACA get? (Zero).

          What happened to the Congressional Dems after passing ACA? (Lost seats, still haven't recovered).

          The GOP opposes it because they've driven themselves into the mud, where TV and radio shock jocks are calling their shots. They rouse the rabble inanely and keep poking those buttons to move their "base" past all rational thought or reason, and now they have to feed the beast or be devoured by it.
          Uh huh. And President Obama is desperate for the ACA to be seen as a win (and so are the rest of the Dems). If it is seen as a failure, the President has wasted his term and lots of Congresspeople look stupid or lose their jobs. Political motivations exist on both sides of the aisle.
          ACA is BAD policy - for the investor class, the medical profiteers (including, by the way, the doctors who rape the system) and private insurance companies.
          Do you think the thousands of workers who have had their hours, full time work status, or existing medical benefits cut because of unanticipated ACA side effects agree or disagree with your assessment?

          (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
          Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

          by Sparhawk on Thu Sep 26, 2013 at 09:43:05 AM PDT

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          •  So, you're a right-wing parrot are you? (3+ / 0-)
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            How many Repub votes did the ACA get? (Zero).

            What happened to the Congressional Dems after passing ACA? (Lost seats, still haven't recovered).

            Do you deny that the Gang of Six in the Senate, which included Grassley and Enzi and another Republican, wrote the bill?

            Do you deny that much of the bill came from the Heritage Foundation, circa 1992?

            If yes to either, educate yourself better. If no to both, then your point shows nothing more than Republican hypocrisy, doesn't it?

            Uh huh. And President Obama is desperate for the ACA to be seen as a win (and so are the rest of the Dems). If it is seen as a failure, the President has wasted his term and lots of Congresspeople look stupid or lose their jobs. Political motivations exist on both sides of the aisle.
            Your point has nothing to do with what I posted, and your argument is a non-sequitor in any case. How it is "seen" becomes irrelevant once the bill is implemented because it will be based upon concrete data.

            Which is why the GOP wants to stop it, or harm it - because they know that once it's in place, their dire warnings of doom will be shown as phony.

            Do you think the thousands of workers who have had their hours, full time work status, or existing medical benefits cut because of unanticipated ACA side effects agree or disagree with your assessment?
            Oh look, another right-wing talking point.

            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

            Really. Do better. Or better yet, try Redstate.

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