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  •  If by "The Church fathers" you mean "Paul, the (1+ / 0-)
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    author of the letter to the Hebrews and the author of Revelation," and by "much later" you mean "a few decades after his death," then you're right.



    Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary? . . . and respect the dignity of every human being.

    by Wee Mama on Fri Sep 27, 2013 at 03:55:58 PM PDT

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    •  Paul's references to (1+ / 0-)
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      immortality were references to the continued existence of the Christian community, not wee mama continuing to exist after time.  Judaism simply doesn't think of an afterlife in this way.  This concept of immortality was imported from Plato through figures like St. Augustine much later.  At any rate, there's very little in Christian doctrine, left or right, that shares any resemblance to the Jewish nationalism Jesus was preaching about.

      •  I do not think that Judaism (0+ / 0-)

        speaks with one voice on immortality. From what I understand from Mortifyd, there are also some Jews who believe in reincarnation. The influence of the Babylonians and Greeks on Jewish thought was complex and not unified, but well before the time of Jesus.

        I think "the kingdom of G*d" was a key part of Jesus's preaching - I am not so sure that it was a form of nationalism in the usual sense.



        Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary? . . . and respect the dignity of every human being.

        by Wee Mama on Sat Sep 28, 2013 at 07:28:46 PM PDT

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        •  No we don't speak (0+ / 0-)

          with one voice, but those conceptions of the afterlife were later imported through Christianity during our middle ages.  Such views were quite alien to Judaism during that time.

        •  It's also worth remembering (0+ / 0-)

          thatremembering that concepts of man-gods were quite familiar during this time (roman emperors declared themselves living gods, as did Pharos).  What was unusual about Jesus hinting he was a god was that he was a commoner, not a royal.  When understood in historical context, much of Christian doctrine is pure fantasy and distortion on both the left and the right.

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