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  •  conservatives feel under full attack and losing (21+ / 0-)

    ground.

    they are losing ground on Marijuana.

    they are losing ground on Gay Marriage.

    They are losing ground on Gays in the military.

    They are losing ground on divorce.

    They are failing to gain ground on abortion much

    They are losing ground on the culture wars.

    they've been fighting medicare for 60 years.

    •  They've gained massive ground on abortion. (16+ / 0-)

      You must be a man. We're rallying in Columbus on Wednesday because of the huge amount of damage done to women's rights here in Ohio already — and they're proposing more.

      Ed FitzGerald for governor Of Ohio. Women's lives depend on it. http://www.edfitzgeraldforohio.com/

      by anastasia p on Fri Sep 27, 2013 at 09:33:15 PM PDT

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      •  "You must be a man..." (9+ / 0-)

        Ugly, divisive identity politics that fractures the party, rather than building support.  Sadly you weaken your own political agency in saying such things because who wants to support those who say this sort of stuff?  A charitable reading of patbahn's remark would have been that public support for women's reproductive rights continues to grow, creating the possibility for the formation of strong coalitions to fight the sort of legislation you're pointing at.  Instead you chose to vilify the person you were responding to.  Nice.

      •  what's the supreme court said? (1+ / 0-)
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        despite their putting a 30 year full court press on
        abortion, between  Roe and Casey?

        They've managed to go from "Strict Scrutiny" to
        "IUndue Burden" which is a  intermediate scrutiny
        standard, and they've gotten D&E moved into a regulatable
        practice.

        What have they won on?  Plan B?  Nope.  
        Plan A? Nope, condoms are over the counter and
        contraception is in Obamacare.

        They've made progress on TRAP and shutting down
        abortion clinics, so, it's a problem getting an abortion in western kansas or mississippi, but, they aren't going
        anywere in California.

        more kids are having sex and fewer are becoming pregnant.

      •  I think he/she means haven't outlawed abortion. (1+ / 0-)
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        Which is what they really want of course.

        "extreme concentration of income is incompatible with real democracy.... the truth is that the whole nature of our society is at stake." Paul Krugman

        by Gorette on Sat Sep 28, 2013 at 10:44:43 AM PDT

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    •  They're also seeing their white privilege being (18+ / 0-)

      eroded away and in some areas, are becoming majority minority.  They're scared they're going to be treated as badly as they've been treating minorities for all these years, because that's just how they expect anyone will act.  Empathy - they don't have it.

    •  they have a bigger microphone than ever (5+ / 0-)

      they aren't losing anything. With their money, gerrymanders and media and de-voterization of Dems, they're in the driver's seat, you' all.

      This Rover crossed over.. Willie Nelson, written by Dorothy Fields

      by Karl Rover on Fri Sep 27, 2013 at 10:30:55 PM PDT

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      •  right till the drive off the cliff. (2+ / 0-)
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        The "Hastert Rule" or the Majority of the Majority,
        is at core a strategy based upon weakness.

        if you have 72% majorities, you can move a lot of stuff
        on whip calls and when it's a real divisive issue, like
        civil rights, you go across the aisle and get some votes.

        you can lose 30% and still be effective.

        but, the Hastert rule means,  51% drives 100 and 26 drives
        51.  That works great until the day you are 24%. Then suddenly you go from the power of yes and the power of no
        to F^&* all in power.

        worst that happens, is that the GOP keeps up with their gerrymandering,  but, as they lose states, the states can re-district at will. (See Tom Delay).  

        if the Dems come with a fair non-partisan, non-incumbent protection scheme.  the GOP will be way off with the whacko birds and the Dems will be doing well in both blue districts and purple districts.  That should last for a generation.

    •  And yet they ride on, to their doom, I fervently (6+ / 0-)

      hope.

      To quote myself in another comment:
       The 7th Calvary GOP, LtCol George Custer Calgary Cruz Battalion, Major Reno Boner Boehner, Chief of Scouts: 2nd Lt Varnum Cantor and the rest of the doomed troopers Tea Partiers ride blindly against their vastly underestimated mortal enemies, the Lakota, Northern Cheyenne and Arapaho tribes Plain Democrats, led by Sitting Bull Pres. Obama, Crazy Horse Harry Reid, and Kicking Bear Nancy Pelosi.

      The entire 7th Calvary GOP Cruz Battalion then get annihilated in the impending Battle of the Little Bigbudget.

      The 7th Calvary GOP plans to attack innocent native American Indian citizens in their villages goes desperately wrong due to faulty (and deficient) intelligence, and fatal overconfidence, instilled by their ego-driven leadership and incessant FuxNooz/RWRadioNJ bugle and drum platoon; which will inevitably  result in their bleached bones littering the bloody fields of Montana DC.

      Meanwhile, one of their brave rearguard stablekeepers, the odious and twitchy Cpl. Wm. Kristol, continues his feeble (and febrile) shoveling of GOP'er doctrinaire bullshit (never, ever accurate nor prophetic) to a dwindling audience of shiteatin' cretins.

      We’re Ready, Wendy’s Ready! WTF Are We Waiting For? Bring ‘em on! The revolution has begun! Come and take it!

      by Bluefin on Sat Sep 28, 2013 at 02:13:16 AM PDT

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      •  nah, Charge of the Light Budgeters (5+ / 0-)
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        Half a week, Half a week,
        Half a week on
        All in the vail of debt
        rode the morons.
        Forward the Light Budget,
        Charge for the mike, he said;
        Into the vail of Debt,
        Rode the morons.

        Forward the Light Budget,
        Was there a rep dismayed?
        Not one TeaBagger knew,
        Some pundit had blundered.
        There not to vote on by,
        Their's not to reason why.
        Theirs but to vote and die.
        Into the vale of Debt,
        rode the morons.

        Cameras to the right of them,
        Cameras to the left of them,
        Cameras in front of them,
        volleyed and thundered.
        Stormed at with Op-Ed and inkwell,
        Boldly they voted and well
        Into the jaws of debt,
        Over the Homeless vet,
        Rode the Morons.

        Thrashed by Obamacare
        Thrashed by a CR bare,
        Charging a nation,
        while all the world wondered
        Plunged in the debt revoke,
        Right through the pollsters stroke,
        Dems and Pundits,
        laughed with late night jokes
        then they rolled back, but
        Not the morons.

        Cameras to the right of them,
        Cameras to the left of them,
        Cameras in front of them,
        volleyed and thundered.
        Stormed at with Op-Ed and inkwell

        While Boehner and Cantor fell,
        and Cruz spoke on at the well
        those who had no green eggs to sell
        straight into the votes from hell
        All that was left of them,
        left of the morons

        When will their caucus fade,
        O'h the wild charges they made,
        All the world wondered about the
        claims that they made.
        Under the Morons,
        Silly Morons.

        The Charge of the Light Brigade
        Half a league, half a league,
          Half a league onward,
        All in the valley of Death,
          Rode the six hundred.
        'Forward, the Light Brigade!
        Charge for the guns' he said:
        Into the valley of Death
          Rode the six hundred.

        'Forward, the Light Brigade!'
        Was there a man dismay'd?
        Not tho' the soldiers knew
          Some one had blunder'd:
        Theirs not to make reply,
        Theirs not to reason why,
        Theirs but to do and die:
        Into the valley of Death
          Rode the six hundred.

        Cannon to right of them,
        Cannon to left of them,
        Cannon in front of them
          Volley'd and thunder'd;
        Storm'd at with shot and shell,
        Boldly they rode and well,
        Into the jaws of Death,
        Into the mouth of Hell
          Rode the six hundred.

        Flash'd all their sabres bare,
        Flash'd as they turned in air
        Sabring the gunners there,
        Charging an army while
          All the world wonder'd:
        Plunged in the battery-smoke
        Right thro' the line they broke;
        Cossack and Russian
        Reel'd from the sabre-stroke
        Shatter'd and sunder'd.
        Then they rode back, but not
        Not the six hundred.

        Cannon to right of them,
        Cannon to left of them,
        Cannon behind them
          Volley'd and thunder'd;
        Storm'd at with shot and shell,
        While horse and hero fell,
        They that had fought so well
        Came thro' the jaws of Death,
        Back from the mouth of Hell,
        All that was left of them,
          Left of six hundred.

        When can their glory fade?
        O the wild charge they made!
          All the world wonder'd.
        Honour the charge they made!
        Honour the Light Brigade,
          Noble six hundred!

    •  I don't think the (8+ / 0-)

      conservative elite care much about these cultural issues at all.  They're tools they use to stoke up a certain segment of their base so they can round up votes, but at the end of the day their politics is organized around one thing and one thing only:  devising strategies to funnel wealth to the 1%.  Failure to understand this is a failure to understand American politics, what we're up against, and the root that needs to be fought.  Indeed, those of us who become obsessed with cultural politics, ignoring economic politics, are also being controlled by the right because we allow the shifts in economic policy to go through because we're ignoring them, thereby increasing the general immiseration of all.  We need to address the cultural issues, but in such a way that we don't forget the economic politics that pervades every political issue.

      •  which is why the conservatives feel under attack (0+ / 0-)

        if they were winning what they should have,
        the Supreme court would have reverse Roe v Wad
        and struck abortion as a right.

        The Zero-tolerance on marijuana would still be in,

        the gays would be back in the closet.

        The laws on divorce would be misery.

        women would be in the kitchen, not piloting space shuttles,

        ,,,,,

        only place they have real advances in gun carry stuff.

        •  As I said, I don't (1+ / 0-)
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          thinkdon't think the conservative elite (the 1%) really cares much about these issues.  They're tools they use to manipulate the public, not their real political aims.

          •  the 1% and the 1% of the 1% are actually (1+ / 0-)
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            very liberal.

            You think Charles koch gives a damn if his CPA is gay?

            Hell, he wants to hire the most creative accountants and
            lawyers in the world.

            Same with the rest of the billionaires.

            They just cynically took advantage of the hillbillies.

            if you ever read "Whats the matter with Kansas"
            one day the country folk will wake up and kill their leaders.

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