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  •  But, but, but (5+ / 0-)

    I listened to Rush and Sean this week and both were emphatic that Iran really has no intention of changing and that Obama is getting played for a dupe.

    On a more serious note, I did see a report on what the neocon reaction was when Reagan was making overtures to Gorbachev.  The same stuff that is being said about Obama now was actually said in relation to Reagan back then.  I suppose the neocons do play a role in shaping the deals that are eventually negotiated but damn are they insular idiots.

    (Full disclosure- I supported both the Iraq war and the Afghanistan war and so I was not immune to neocon arguments)

    We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them. Albert Einstein

    by theotherside on Fri Sep 27, 2013 at 06:31:37 PM PDT

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    •  Alas, 'tis not only the far right.... (3+ / 0-)
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      or the neocon socipaths that are an off-key contrarian note on this. Jeremy Scahill and some others are seeing Obama's speech at the UN as a sign that Obama has gone full neoconservative himself and simply ignoring the enormous change being signaled.

      Nice to see Obama's most intelligent critics here, such as our diarist, being able to recognize a good thing for what it is. People on the small but very loud farish American left forget that Obama is, in fact, an American politician and a successful one and that, like it or not, means he has to play the exceptionalist card from time to time if he wants to get anywhere. The more important questions is what you do with that card. In Iran and, much to everyone's relief, in Syria, he seems to be playing that card very much the right way at the moment.

      The fact that we don't like everything he has done, and you can make a strong case that some of it, at least, is horrible (though I'd argue about some particulars), shouldn't blind people to the obvious, but some people seem blind to nuance or the fact that we live in a complicated and contradictory world.

      Now residing in Van Nuys, but "LaBobsterofVanNuys" isn't funny and besides, Van Nuys is really part of Los Angeles

      by LABobsterofAnaheim on Sat Sep 28, 2013 at 12:10:40 AM PDT

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    •  Iran isn't really changing. Iran is offering (1+ / 0-)
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      roughly the same terms they've been offering for six years.

      Of course, they're doing it a hell of a lot more politely.

      "But the traitors will pretend / that it's gettin' near the end / when it's beginning" P. Ochs

      by JesseCW on Sat Sep 28, 2013 at 03:08:05 AM PDT

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      •  That's interesting (0+ / 0-)

        I hadn't heard it phrased that way before.  Do you happen to have a link that references this?

        We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them. Albert Einstein

        by theotherside on Sat Sep 28, 2013 at 04:32:49 AM PDT

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        •  Here are a few places to start. (0+ / 0-)

          http://www.todayszaman.com/...

          http://www.washingtonpost.com/...

          Iran continues to insist that her right to enrich uranium be recognized and respected, and continues to offer to accept and abide by the additional protocols if this happens.

          A lot of people have misunderstood both the US position (which is NO ENRICHMENT, not 'more inspections') and the Iranian position (which is "original vintage NPT rules, unless you recognize our right to enrich").

          "But the traitors will pretend / that it's gettin' near the end / when it's beginning" P. Ochs

          by JesseCW on Sat Sep 28, 2013 at 10:20:11 PM PDT

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