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  •  Check Your Weapons At the Door (4+ / 0-)
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    Ender, RiveroftheWest, CorinaR, Brecht

    I suspect that the reason why Tolkien devoted space to the irrelevant argument over Aragorn's sword in the Hall of Theoden is because it's the kind of thing that would occur in a Medieval tale, and because it is a point of knightly ettiquite that a Medieval audience would find important.  And Tolkien was a big-time Medievalist.

    And I think it does serve a purpose, albeit perhaps a minor one.  In the scene as written, (I'm going from memory here), Gandalf mediates in the clash between Aragorn and Hama, acting as the Voice of Reason and telling Aragorn not to be a butthead.  Having done so, when it comes his turn to relinquish his staff, Gandalf is able to say, in effect, "Hey, we're willing to comply with reasonable demands but this is stupid."  Hama feels like now he's being the butthead, and so he lets the wizard keep his funny stick.

    Contrast that with the way the scene plays out in the movie.  Hama requests that everyone relinquish their weapons.  Aragorn complies.  Gandalf refuses.  Now Gandalf is one looking like a butthead.

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    by quarkstomper on Mon Sep 30, 2013 at 05:56:21 AM PDT

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    •  My memory is the worst of anybody's (3+ / 0-)
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      But I thought that Gandalf got to keep his staff because he was really old and needed to lean on something.

      Nobody is going to take an old man's stick away under those circumstances.

      •  Yes, But... (4+ / 0-)
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        Ender, RiveroftheWest, CorinaR, Brecht

        This is true in both versions.  But in the one take, Gandalf is being a cranky old man; and in the other he's a cranky old man who can say "Look, I've been reasonable, but this goes too far!"

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        by quarkstomper on Mon Sep 30, 2013 at 06:21:44 AM PDT

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