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    Note that in production of contour-coppice for biocoal feedstock, you do not have to wait until the first coppiced wood is harvested to sell biocoal feedstock, since the clearing of hillside contours for coppiced wood production itself produces bio-coal feedstock. If the land is heavily degraded, this might be brush and scrub rather than valuable timber, but brush and scrub are still useful as biocoal feedstocks.
    ...looks to me like advocacy for forest practices that include hillside clearcuts.  

    You are never going to sell that to the Sierra Club as a suggested forest management technique for either public or private forest lands.

    •  So, your agenda is just sniping? (0+ / 0-)

      You are just looking for things to knock down the idea? What is your interest in avoiding a political threat to Big Coal?

      The "reasonable discussion" approach would be to pose that as a question.

      And the answer to the question would be, no, quite obviously, the clearing of a hillside contour is quite the opposite of hillside clearcutting. Indeed, its not quite clear why someone would decided to read "the clearing of hillside contours" as "hillside clearcuts" except to unfairly smear a proposal.

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      by BruceMcF on Mon Sep 30, 2013 at 12:59:30 PM PDT

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      •  Hey, LakeS' comment is not sniping (1+ / 0-)
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        Please explain why clearing every living "brush and scrub" off of a hillside will not cause the same environmental impact as clear-cutting--loss of habitat, and exposing bare soil to stormwater runoff for years, until adult trees have re-established.

        And all the carbon-consuming brushes and scrubs will be gone for awhile, until vegetation is replanted.

        I review lots of wood-burning power plant schemes.  I admit they aren't going to fire charcoal, but bone-dry wood instead.

        They want to emit even more NOx and fine particulate than coal fired power plants, per megawatt.

        And if permitted, they want to run on cheap fuel.  That doesn't mean sustainable forestry.  It means clear-cutting hundreds of acres of existing pine and fir trees.

        And replanting countless acres of a single non-native tree species doesn't recreate very valuable habitat.

        Although Chestnuts would be better than the tree plantations planted now by the pulp mills, which are mostly poplar, how long before they figure out poplar is quicker to grow?

        You'll also have to water those hundreds of thousands of acres of trees.

        I like lots of your ideas but please be aware there are devilish details afoot.

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        by 6412093 on Mon Sep 30, 2013 at 08:21:52 PM PDT

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        •  In what way is clearing a contour ... (1+ / 0-)
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          ... "clearing every living brush and scrub from a hillside"?

          A contour of a hillside is a line at the same elevation, not the whole hill. So "clearing a contour" is obviously not clearcutting.

          As far as "if permitted", the next logical step would be to ask "how to prevent it". How to prevent what you describe, which is what will happen if its allowed to be put in place through corporate government, would be to put a program in place first that requires sustainable practices in order to participate in, put in place through elected government.

          Such as a state government, and we are right at the "Biofuels Digest" section of the essay above, where an elected government takes a leading role putting the system together.

          So, yes, we know exactly what a scheme to establish a wood fired power plant will involve, unless the system is designed from the ground up in order to maintain long term sustainability. That's the alternative to either allowing the suicide fuels to be drive a climate catastrophe or else putting a long term sustainable system in place.

          As far as the idea  that you'll have to water hundreds of thousands of acres of trees in Appalachian counties of Ohio and Pennsylvania, I expect you don't grasp the detail that I placed this in Ohio or Pennsylvania. Nobody watered the aboriginal forests of Ohio, when a squirrel could travel from the shores of Lake Erie to the shores of the Ohio without ever having to set foot on the ground.

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          by BruceMcF on Tue Oct 01, 2013 at 03:09:25 AM PDT

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          •  Thanks for your response (0+ / 0-)

            the additional details help promote understanding of this proposal.

            “The answer must be, I think, that beauty and grace are performed whether or not we will or sense them. The least we can do is try to be there.” ― Annie Dillard, Pilgrim at Tinker Creek

            by 6412093 on Tue Oct 01, 2013 at 08:37:14 AM PDT

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