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  •  But you already said that what matters is ... (0+ / 0-)

    ... the total CO2 concentration in the atmosphere. Why are you know claiming that the only thing that matters is gross CO2 emissions and not total CO2 in the atmosphere?

    The lie is the claim that burning Natural Gas results in less net CO2 in the atmosphere when its straightforward that that biocoal results in less net CO2 in the atmosphere.

    The gross CO2 emissions, ignoring which CO2 originated in the atmosphere and which originated when your natural gas was taken from the ground, was already taken off the table by you when you said that what matters is the total CO2 concentration in the atmosphere.

    Now we have three bowls. The mineral coal bowl (1), the natural gas emissions that you are advocating for (2), and the biocoal bowl (3).

     Start out equal size bowls half full of water.

    (1) Take a cup measure, fill it from the faucet, pour it in the bowl. That is mineral coal.

    (2) Take a half-cup measure, fill it from the faucet, pour it in the bowl. That is the natural gas that you are advocating for.

    (3) Take a cup measure, fill it from the bowl, and pour it in the bowl.

    Going on your own claim that what matters is CO2 in the atmosphere you are claiming that (1) and (3) will overflow first. In reality, (1) will overflow first, (2) will overflow second, and (3) won't overflow at all if 5%-10% of the biocoal is used as biochar rather than burned.

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    by BruceMcF on Mon Sep 30, 2013 at 08:07:49 PM PDT

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    •  Your undemonstrated, undocumented assertion: (0+ / 0-)
      The lie is the claim that burning Natural Gas results in less net CO2 in the atmosphere when its straightforward that that biocoal results in less net CO2 in the atmosphere.

      The gross CO2 emissions, ignoring which CO2 originated in the atmosphere and which originated when your natural gas was taken from the ground, was already taken off the table by you when you said that what matters is the total CO2 concentration in the atmosphere.

      ....is yet to be numerically characterized and described, anywhere at all in your diary and comments.   There isn't any diclosure or clarity to your claim at all.

      I've given you my emission factors for fuel heat input, and you won't disclose your claimed basis for your undemonstrated assertions.

      •  I'm waiting for you to admit the ... (0+ / 0-)

        ... obvious point that every ton of carbon emitted through biocoal produced from biomass feedstock is a ton of carbon previously removed from the atmosphere, so the steady state impact of that aspect of the use of biocoal is carbon neutral.

        You've got emission factors, but you've omitted the sequester factors, which are 0 for coal, 0 for natural gas, and greater than the amount of carbon contained in the biocoal produced, for biocoal.

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        by BruceMcF on Tue Oct 01, 2013 at 03:15:01 AM PDT

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