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  •  Broad Immunity- we noticed (4+ / 0-)
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    Tonedevil, I love OCD, elwior, sethtriggs

    But, the context is always important. Republicans are united on the reason for the shutdown, to force a law to be changed. That is neither legal or constitutional.

    Broad immunity from the basic dereliction of their duty. Fer christ sakes they hauled Bill Clinton up for a blow job, now you drivel about broad immunity?

    A true craftsman will meticulously construct the apparatus of his own demise.

    by onionjim on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 02:32:01 PM PDT

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    •  onionjim - Clinton's problems were the result (4+ / 0-)

      of his perjury, something that a lawyer, law professor, and former Attorney General of Arkansas should have realized was a crime. His involvement with Monica Lewinsky was not part of his official duties, so there was no immunity. In addition, he was impeached, not prosecuted. Impeachment is a political act, not a criminal one. It starts in the House. Good luck with that.

      It's certainly harmful, but there is nothing criminal about the House not passing a budget, or CR or an increase in the debt limit. If these things were automatic members of Congress wouldn't need to fashion them into bills, and vote on them. The members of Congress can't be compelled by a court to pass bills.
       

      "let's talk about that"

      by VClib on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 03:21:11 PM PDT

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      •  So, lying about a blow job (2+ / 0-)
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        is something that needs to be dragged out and impeached for. Keep in mind that Clinton left no deficit.

        The false sense of what serves the country's best interests is fascinating.

        For Republicans, harming the economy is right in their oath of office. When the party claims they want to "shut down the government" as a matter of policy, that's not doing their job as a statesman, its political terrorism.

        The congress is required to pay its bills, duh.

        A true craftsman will meticulously construct the apparatus of his own demise.

        by onionjim on Thu Oct 03, 2013 at 01:54:31 AM PDT

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        •  jim, we weren't discussing the country's (0+ / 0-)

          best interest. We were discussing the legality of Congressional actions and the limited immunity granted to federal office holders.

          There is no legal requirement for any member of Congress to vote for or against anything. We have operated without a federal budget for four years, so it's clear that isn't required.

          "let's talk about that"

          by VClib on Thu Oct 03, 2013 at 10:19:49 AM PDT

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    •  I am amazed by the ignorant pontificating here (1+ / 0-)
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      Republicans are united on the reason for the shutdown, to force a law to be changed. That is neither legal or constitutional.
      Please specify what law and what constitutional provision it violates.
      •  They pledged to serve the nation (1+ / 0-)
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        not harm it. What they are doing is treason. The thing that protects them is their cloak of "broad immunity."

        Bankers have been blatantly flouting the law without any problem whatsoever. They are immune. What point is it now to question the legality since these folks don't need to follow the law?

        A true craftsman will meticulously construct the apparatus of his own demise.

        by onionjim on Thu Oct 03, 2013 at 02:01:34 AM PDT

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