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  •  It's not weakness, it's agreement... (23+ / 0-)

    Democrats have no problems playing hardball. Watch how they react to any liberal criticism. However thoughtful, however polite. It doesn't matter.

    You'll see pure aggression and rage. And unbridled contempt.
    They play pattycakes with the GOP because they agree con ellos.

    Having said that, I'm happy with things as they stand now. If the Dems start pushing Simpson/Bowles or some other rip-off in the next few weeks then I'll fight it then.

    •  Agreed on all counts. They kicked the progressives (5+ / 0-)

      asses over Obama's first term, in lock-step. I meant that the compromise-y thing applies to "negotiating" (cough) with the GOP and conservative Dem Blue Dogs. The old (real) Dem Party folks can go fuck themselves, as far as Reid and Obama are concerned.

      "Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob." -- Franklin D. Roosevelt

      by Kombema on Sat Oct 12, 2013 at 10:26:09 AM PDT

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    •  It seems to me, dclawyer06, that ... (4+ / 0-)
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      ... an astute political observer like the diarist and yourself would know that to get to this (from the diary):

      But make no mistake about it: Democrats must learn that hard and strong is the only way to deal with Republicans. Not 11th dimensional finesse. Not being 'bigger people' or adults in rooms. You have to get tough with Republicans. Beat them and break them because they only thing they respect is strength and authority.
      You have to be seen by the public as the "adult in the room," to be willing to make a reasonable compromise. The Tea Party GOP is facing humiliating defeat because of both "A" and "B," not just "B."

      Rand Paul is to civil liberties as the Disney Channel is to subtle and nuanced acting.

      by Tortmaster on Sat Oct 12, 2013 at 01:02:23 PM PDT

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      •  No... (10+ / 0-)

        No disrespect, Tortmaster, but your analysis is completely backwards. President Obama is winning because abandoned his prized perch as the "supposed adult in the room" and got in the damn fray!!

        Old school Obama would've caved to GOP at the start by promising them any deal that would preclude a default. But he did it differently this time. He got in the game. He played chicken with the republicans. He called their bluff!!

        And he gave the voters what they voted for: 1) a strong leader; 2) who fights for their interests.

        •  You're right (8+ / 0-)

          Obama is finally doing what critics have been begging for since his administration started.  All that bipartisan preemptive capitulation got him nothing from Republicans, over and over and over again.  All it did was teach them that hanging tough and waiting for Obama to give in was the way to get what they wanted.

          The Adult in the Room was just a pushover.  It's long, long past time Obama learned the lesson Sean Connery taught in The Untouchables:

          They put one of yours in the hospital.  You put one of theirs in the morgue.
          Democrats could play this crisis into a wave election in 2014, but probably only if they hold out for a 1 year deal that expires just before the next election.  Or they could back off, negotiate, and collapse the public support they're currently earning.  I wish I were more confident they'd do the right thing.

          We have always been at war with al Qaeda.

          by Dallasdoc on Sat Oct 12, 2013 at 04:25:25 PM PDT

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          •  Yea, it's sad... (5+ / 0-)

            How can anyone who actually likes the guy want him to revert back to his old manner of interacting w/the GOP given their behavior in recent years?

            Strange "support."

            I hope the Obama stays on offense, makes his case to the people, and fights the GOP when they frustrate his agenda. His quest to recreate a post-partisan political climate wasn't exactly working.

            I can't believe I just had to type that last sentence.

            •  Who are these people who want ... (1+ / 0-)
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              ... the President to "revert back to his old manner"? I haven't seen those people, but if you mean acting like the adult in the room, he is acting like the adult in the room right now. Sometimes the adult has to say "No."

              What I think that you and the diarist are missing is nuance and complexity. In other words, your political observation in this case is much too simplistic. One of the main reasons that Republicans are at an all-time polling low and have started their own civil war is because President Obama put them there. If he had started acting like a Mafia Don in 2010, the public would hate both parties, hate the Government  and we'd have even more gridlock.

              In other words, President Obama has credibility now. Credibility is something you build over time.

              By the way, it is great to see the President tackling two "no-win" situations in the span of a few weeks. That's Syria and the Tea Party House. Unbelievable!

              Rand Paul is to civil liberties as the Disney Channel is to subtle and nuanced acting.

              by Tortmaster on Sun Oct 13, 2013 at 05:12:05 AM PDT

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              •  That's myth-making... (1+ / 0-)
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                President Obama is poised to break the GOP because he's learned the error of bipartisanship(I hope) and will stop treating republican buy-in as a necessary precondition to legislation(I hope).

                But this nation has paid a heavy price for his obsession. I was walking through a primarily African-American neighborhood recently and was alarmed to at the sheer number of folks lining the streets, watching life pass them by. There were so many, there almost wasn't room on the sidewalks to accommodate them!

                They are the collateral damage of post-partisanship.
                And it is a tragedy.

                But what are we discussing in DC? Austerity, and nothing more. Some of that blame belongs to Obama because he placed GOP support as a crucial ingredient to his initiatives. And, starting with the stimulus, it's resulted in tight-fisted, cruel restrictions on the size/shape of the federal reaction to the recession.

                The nation has paid a price for every moment he spent courting Senator Grassley or Corker or Snowe or Collins. There is nothing "adult" about that.

                I'm tipping your comment outta respect for your tone which I appreciate.

                Two quick notes: 1) BBB and I are not connected in any way. We are very different men, with our own opinions, beliefs and principles.

                2) President Obama hasn't defeated the Tea-Partiers(yet). The Federal government is shut down while the Democrats try to convince the GOP to reopen under sequester-level funding. That is not victory, my friend.

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