Skip to main content

View Diary: Malala tells President Obama "Drones are fueling terrorism" (282 comments)

Comment Preferences

  •  While true, what's the alternative? (5+ / 0-)

    If he doesn't use drones, what is he going to do?  Send in more human strike teams and risk the casualties for likely fewer successful outcomes?  Let them run unchecked until they finally do something to provoke popular calls for an invasion?

    I don't like the drone strikes.  But without local governments willing/able to act it seems to me to be a lesser of evil choices.

    •  Pull out. Send humanitarian aid. (9+ / 0-)

      Order Israel to knock it off.

      You know, stuff to make them like us rather than hate us.

      * "Power attracts the corruptible. Suspect all who seek it." - Frank Herbert * (-8.88; -9.23)

      by Selphinea on Sat Oct 12, 2013 at 07:51:13 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  false choice. (9+ / 0-)

      "if he doesn't use drones, what is he going to do? Send in more human strike teams and risk the casualties for likely fewer successful outcomes?  Let them run unchecked until they finally do something to provoke popular calls for an invasion?"

      how about not drop drones or send in strike teams? we don't have any obligation to maintain a specific level of violence in the world. you act as if every bomb we drop is an absolute necessity. we are such an extremely violent culture. it doesn't have to be that way.

      "Today is who you are" - my wife

      by I Lurked For Years on Sat Oct 12, 2013 at 07:59:40 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  then present a realistic alternative (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Lawrence

        it's easy for you and those that agree with you to sit here all full of self righteous anger. How about actually suggesting a course of actions?

        Der Weg ist das Ziel

        by duhban on Sat Oct 12, 2013 at 08:14:44 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Do you know why they fight us? (6+ / 0-)

          For the same reason we fight them: Fear.

          How is continuing hostilities going to defuse the situation?

          * "Power attracts the corruptible. Suspect all who seek it." - Frank Herbert * (-9.75; -9.23)

          by Selphinea on Sat Oct 12, 2013 at 08:34:32 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  sorry wrong (0+ / 0-)

            We fight the terrorists because the alternative is that they will keep coming till they either 'win' or we kill them all.

            I'd love to live in a utopia where we all sing kumbaya together but we do not. We sadly probably will not in my lifetime. There is over thirty years of proof showing that ignoring terrorist groups is about one of the dumbest things you can do.

            I'd love for the actual security forces of both Pakistan and Afganistan to do their job so we didn't have to. That has about as much chance currently of happening as me being elected president.

            What we are doing right now is the best choice we have out of a whole lot of crappy ones. And personally I'm sick of people bitching about it without presenting an actual viable alternative.

            Der Weg ist das Ziel

            by duhban on Sat Oct 12, 2013 at 08:45:46 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

          •  It's not. Nor is it the goal (2+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            Terri, Lawrence

            These strikes are supposed to blunt their capabilities, even if only temporarily.  There appears to be no real solution at this point, and so the course of action seems to be a sort of holding action to buy time without (or with fewer) terrorist attacks.

            The problem is that even if the US stops the strikes, these groups can always brainwash more people to do their bidding.

            Furthermore, the politics demands that The President be seen as actually doing something about it, even if the course of action is not optimal in the long run.  If he doesn't, it strengthens the hand of the conservatives, and we know how much worse they will likely make things.

          •  Lol! (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            WakeUpNeo

            This type of hopelessly naive belief is really mind-boggling to anyone who knows more than just superficial, glossy western-centric theories about the Af-Pak region.

            Like it or not, there is a brand of supremacist Sunni extremism out there that has little to do with our presence there and is present in all kinds of regions in the world.

            Maybe you haven't noticed, but these people aren't just attacking and killing Americans, but are also:

            killing and blowing up Shia in Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Syria.

            killing and blowing up Sufis, Animists, and Christians in Northern Africa.

            killing and blowing up Buddhists in Thailand.

            killing and blowing up ethnic and religious minorities in Indonesia, Pakistan, and Bangladesh.

            killing and blowing up Christians and Animists in the Philippines.

            killing and blowing up Hindus, Sikhs, and Buddhists in India.

            And they love killing atheists, too.  Everywhere.

            I suggest you try and open a girl's school in the region of Afghanistan that borders Pakistan and then wait and see just how much the Sunni extremists like the Taliban, Al Qaeda, and the Haqqani Network respect the naivité that you are displaying here.

             

            "A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle" - Mohammed Nabbous, R.I.P.

            by Lawrence on Sun Oct 13, 2013 at 03:50:30 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

      •  Connect drones and shooting her in the head. Is (0+ / 0-)

        the claim that since we are using drones they shot her in the head?

        When you are dead, you don't know that you are dead. It is difficult only for the others. It is the same when you are stupid.

        by thestructureguy on Sat Oct 12, 2013 at 08:45:46 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  How about we stop killing shitloads of (8+ / 0-)

      people who have done nothing to threaten or attack us? Could we try that for a week or three?

      That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

      by enhydra lutris on Sat Oct 12, 2013 at 08:41:07 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Do you actually think that will help? (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        enhydra lutris

        In a world after the US invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan?  With the US still supporting Israel so much?

        •  Probably not much, not a mere week or (3+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          caul, aliasalias, churchylafemme

          three, unless the rest of the world was given to believe that we were turning over a new leaf, but until we try it we'll never be able to argue that we must continue because stopping pausing won't help.

          It's kind of moot anyway - the current chief executive openly stated that he believes in wars, just not all wars. (He allegedly didn't believe in Iraq, for example, but did absolutely nothing to speed up our withdrawal from that nation and actually tried to get a SOFA renewal, so that might not be the best example of one he didn't believe in, but that is neither here nor there.)

          That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

          by enhydra lutris on Sat Oct 12, 2013 at 09:12:46 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

      •  Let's see.... (0+ / 0-)

        Sunni extremists kill thousands of civilians each year in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

        Drone strikes have arguably killed a few hundred civilians over the course of ten years, with most of those civilians likely being family members of the very same extremists who are killing the thousands of civilians every year.

        Are you sure that your view is the humanitarian view here?

        And btw, you might want to take the FDR quote from your sig and apply it to the Afghanistan when the Taliban were in control....

        "A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle" - Mohammed Nabbous, R.I.P.

        by Lawrence on Sun Oct 13, 2013 at 03:57:46 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  You should try to re-read what I said, because (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          churchylafemme

          you aren't replying to it at all. Sunni & Shiite internecine killings make neither they nor any others hate and war against us, only our actions do that,  oour killings generate that hatred, the desire for revenge, and the resultant terrorism aimed at us.

          As to your unrelated point - killing people, especially gratuitously, is pretty much never the humanitarian course. Killing random relatives of somebody suspected of having done wrong is seldom humanitarian and never justified or legal under our law or so called international law.

          That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

          by enhydra lutris on Sun Oct 13, 2013 at 09:11:40 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  There is no "gratuitous killing" taking place (0+ / 0-)

            in the Af-Pak region with drone strikes.  

            And theocratic quasi-fascists don't need much of a reason to hate.  I realize that always saying "it's all out fault" may seem like a nice and simple solution to it all, but it is just as blinkered of a stance as the "it's all their fault" stance.

            You may not be aware of this, but the extremist groups actually don't have much support amongst the Afghan population.

            "A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle" - Mohammed Nabbous, R.I.P.

            by Lawrence on Sun Oct 13, 2013 at 03:49:41 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  Not so, not by any means: (0+ / 0-)
              There is no "gratuitous killing" taking place in the Af-Pak region with drone strikes.  

              That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

              by enhydra lutris on Sun Oct 13, 2013 at 04:48:03 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  Just because you wish it to be that way in order (0+ / 0-)

                to have your narrative confirmed, it doesn't mean that it is true.

                Your concern for those who are being targeted by drones and are actually responsible for orchestrating massive, gratuitous killing of civilians is, however, duly noted.

                "A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle" - Mohammed Nabbous, R.I.P.

                by Lawrence on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 03:46:07 AM PDT

                [ Parent ]

Subscribe or Donate to support Daily Kos.

Click here for the mobile view of the site