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  •  So she was shot in the head by the Taliban (1+ / 0-)
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    because the Taliban was angered by drones??????????

    You just proved my point. She was shot by members of the Taliban because these people are cruel and oppresive toward women. Their actions weren't spurred on by the President's use of drones. Save me your self righteous indignation.

    There are women in Afghanistan today, who are concerned that US troops are about to end the war against the Taliban, because they are fearful of continued abuse at the hands of these people.

    “People don’t understand that with the troops leaving, women may end up suffering more than they have in the past.,” said [Esther] Hyneman [ a board member and principal fundraiser for the human rights group, Women for Afghan Women (WAW.)] “Ten years sounds like a long time, but it’s a very short time to turn around a country that was at war for 30 years and practically demolished,” she continued. “The alternative is not forever; it’s until the government can stand on its feet. We can be surer than we are now.”

    Afghan women are also afraid that the achievements made over the last decade will collapse without the protection of the international community. In a 2011 survey, the humanitarian organization ActionAid found that 86% of the 1,000 Afghan women polled were worried that a Taliban-style government could return.

    http://tv.msnbc.com/...

    I guarantee that you would come out in disagreement against individuals who have been maimed by terrorists attacks and wanted the US effort against these people continued.  

    Save me your nonesense.

    •  You're deflecting, poorly. (13+ / 0-)

      Malala was talking to the President about how the threat of drone strikes helps foment terrorism. You can play the "daaaw, poor sweet naive sixteen-year-old" card but the phenomenon of native populations being radicalized by the constant threat of airborne drone strikes by a foreign country is not exactly a high-minded concept only to be grasped by experienced minds.

      In fact, alot of people have been pointing out how fucking obvious it is for a very long time.

      Your response to this diary is to do the whole "OH SO YOU THINK WE SHOULDN'T FIGHT TERRORISM AT ALL THEN!?" which is some pretty weak sauce, considering no one in this diary has said anything even close to that.

      Malala reiterated for the President the obvious point of how drone strikes and the collateral damage they leave behind does more to swell the ranks of terrorists than clear them out. Even a sixteen year old girl who wasn't shot in the head by the Taliban could tell you that.

      Yes, the Taliban is awful and they do awful things. This does nothing to take away how wrong-headed the current U.S. drone policy is, and your attempt to wave away the negative consequences of that policy was weak.

      Banking on the American people to be able to sort all this out and declare the adult in the room the winner is a very big bet. -Digby

      by Boogalord on Sat Oct 12, 2013 at 11:17:45 PM PDT

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      •  There is no need to deflect here. You and your (0+ / 0-)

        cohorts are eager to use this young girl as some voice of truth against the US usage of drones in fighting Al-Qaeda and the Taliban.

        Number one, there are a many women in Afghanistan who have faced abuse at the hands of the Taliban who want the US war to continue against these ant-female oppressors.

        Secondly, it is ridiculous to try and present the argument that Afghans are hateful of the US, specifically because of the usage of drones... No, if they are hateful, they are hateful because are war is being waged in their country.

        Thirdly, yes, you and your cohorts have not only been arguing against drones, you have been arguing against the efforts of the US to go after terrorism.

        Fourth, the President will wind down the war as he sees fit, and troops will leave Afghanistan in 2014, he will not alter his policy because this young lady wants him to do so. Yes, she is sixteen and has an opinion; the  President has an opinion too, but he has to run an entire nation.  

        •  Hmmm. (7+ / 0-)
          You and your cohorts
          MEANWHILE AT THE LEGION OF DOOM
          are eager to use this young girl as some voice of truth against the US usage of drones in fighting Al-Qaeda and the Taliban.
          Well, if you put it that way.... Sure. I think her saying "drone strikes are doing more harm than good" is a voice of truth. Ya got me, slugger. I'm not sure how she's being "used" by me and my "cohorts", since she went to the White House and spoke with the POTUS and said what she said of her own volition. I happen to agree with her. That's it.
          Secondly, it is ridiculous to try and present the argument that Afghans are hateful of the US, specifically because of the usage of drones... No, if they are hateful, they are hateful because are war is being waged in their country.
          So the constant threat of aerial bombardment from the sky at any given moment is wholly separate from the idea of "are war being waged in their country"? They're cool with the drone strikes, but their beef is with something else? Seriously Ned, if you only reply to one thing I say in this comment, please make it this one.

           I'm gonna try and phrase this as obviously as I can: for native Afghanis and Pakistanis, the concept of "the U.S. is making war in our country" primarily manifests itself in the form of bombs dropping out of the sky and blowing shit up in their villages. That's a good chunk of the reason for why they're upset at the U.S. Is that really so confusing for you?

          Thirdly, yes, you and your cohorts have not only been arguing against drones, you have been arguing against the efforts of the US to go after terrorism.
          Yeah.... No. This is probably the most baseless claim in your whole comment, so I'll just leave it as is.
          Fourth, the President will wind down the war as he sees fit, and troops will leave Afghanistan in 2014, he will not alter his policy because this young lady wants him to do so. Yes, she is sixteen and has an opinion; the  President has an opinion too, but he has to run an entire nation.  
          Do you feel better now?

          Banking on the American people to be able to sort all this out and declare the adult in the room the winner is a very big bet. -Digby

          by Boogalord on Sun Oct 13, 2013 at 01:08:45 AM PDT

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          •  I've said all I need to say on this issue, except (0+ / 0-)

            for the fact that there are many other women in Afghanistan who want the US effort against the Taliban to continue, as many told John Kerry on his trip to Afghanistan.

            He met with a number of prominent Afghan women during an Entrepreneurship Showcase held on Embassy grounds. Virtually each one of the eight women selected to meet Kerry took the opportunity of being face-to-face with the U.S. Secretary of State to express fears over their security and well-being after NATO-led forces draw down their military presence at the end of 2014.
            http://www.cbsnews.com/...

            The US ending its use of drone did not cause the Taliban to attack this young woman. If the US had never set foot in that country women would still be attacked by the Taliban.

        •  "You and your cohorts" (4+ / 0-)
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          Yes.

          It's a conspiracy of nefarious infiltrators hell-bent on undermining the President's efforts to eradicate terrorism by way of...creating more terrorists, of course.

          Operation Bowl Of Jello is guaranteed to be perpetually ineffective successful.




          Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ J. Garcia

          by DeadHead on Sun Oct 13, 2013 at 01:59:55 AM PDT

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