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  •  no negotiations means no negotiations (2+ / 0-)
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    cybersaur, Liberal Thinking

    I get what you're saying, and i too can see the opportunity to move the Window.
    But the prez said he wouldn't negotiate over the debt ceiling, and that cuts both ways. If he demands an end to the sequester, or rolling back the bush tax cuts properly, or raising the SS cap, then he's negotiating with the debt ceiling as a hostage.
    He can't do that if he is to stay true to the important center of this fight; that certain functions of government are off limits to this sort of crap.
    So, no negotiating over the government operating or the debt ceiling accommodating the current bills of the US govt. We don't get a reward for reopening the government either.
    If the republicans wish to refight the last election for the next two years, we can preview the next election by pushing the issues I mentioned above (and climate issues, too!)

    Last full month in which the average daily temperature did not exceed twentieth-century norms: 2/1985 - Harper's Index, 2/2013

    by kamarvt on Sun Oct 13, 2013 at 07:21:10 AM PDT

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    •  I Want to Negotiate (0+ / 0-)

      I am tired of having the Democrats start with a Republican position and then negotiate that away. I think the Senate should take the CR they passed off the table. They should change the numbers in it to the original Democratic numbers, and send them a new bill.

      And they should make it clear that those are the numbers going forward. If the Republicans want a deal on the debt ceiling, they need to work with Democratic numbers.

      Cutting government spending has failed as a policy. There's no reason Democrats (including President Obama) should continue with that policy. I want to see them repudiate it. I want to see them say that they are willing to set an appropriate spending limit for each part of government through the normal appropriations process. If that means less money, fine, if it means more money, fine.

      The military budget is over by about $350 billion a year. If they want to cut there, that's okay, because that's appropriate. But if they want to cut SNAP when it will literally cause people to starve, that's not appropriate.

      So, no, I don't buy the "no negotiation" strategy any more. That was okay before the government shutdown. Now that the government shutdown has occurred the question is: "What should we do that's best for the country?"

      You won't, of course, see our Democrats do anything like this because they have no sense of strategy. That's why the Republicans continually beat them time and again on all these issues. The correct strategy is: The Republicans got it wrong with cutting and they got it wrong with the shutdown. The country can't endure any more Republican policy. Give us a real mandate and we'll fix it.

    •  BTW (0+ / 0-)

      The Republicans have no shame when it comes to taking a new tack. They told us the shutdown was over Obamacare. Now they say it's over entitlement reform.

      It's time we took a page from their playbook. If any dweeb in the media has the bad manners to complain we aren't consistent, we just need to tell them, "Hey, that's so yesterday. We've moved on. We'll go back to being consistent the moment the Republicans do."

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