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  •  is this true? (3+ / 0-)
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    GreyHawk, ER Doc, Aunt Pat

    ONLY the House of Representatives can shutdown the government.

    "Tax cuts for the 1% create jobs." -- Republicans, HAHAHA - in China

    by MartyM on Sun Oct 13, 2013 at 02:27:25 AM PDT

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    •  All spending bills must originate in the house. (9+ / 0-)

      However, we could imagine a scenario in which a budget passes the House but fails in the Senate.

      However, we could imagine a scenario in which a budget passes both Houses, is vetoed by the President, and one or both Houses fail to over-ride.

      "Where some see a system for encouraging discussion . . . others see an echo chamber of bad grammar, unchecked stupidity, and constructive interference . . . " -- Ars Technica

      by Rikon Snow on Sun Oct 13, 2013 at 04:42:06 AM PDT

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      •  All revenue bills must originate in the house. (4+ / 0-)
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        Per the constitution. Art. 1 Sect. 1 Clause 1.

        The House, in years past, has also claimed that spending bills must originate there. They claim "the power of the purse" Not a strict constructionists reading to give them power of spending bills (how to use the money), just revenue bills (how to get the money).

        The Senate may propose or concur as with other bills.

        •  We all should have known.... (6+ / 0-)

          Months ago, that something was up when Boehner was asked about a budget bill and he replied, "We're waiting to see what the Senate comes up with first". Not only was this terrible execution on their part but even more terrible planning. And we've got it all on tape if only the Dems have the good sense and courage to use it against the Republicans in 2014. If the past is any indication, I wouldn't be surprised if there isn't some pretty poor execution on the Dems part as well, when we could easily show the republicans the door. Hope I'm wrong.

          •  Lots of details about the gotp plots are coming to (3+ / 0-)
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            the surface. They have been planning this shutdown for months, in bad faith with the American people, in bad faith with the president, and in bad faith with other parts of congress.

            It's unimaginable, what they've done. It really is a coup attempt. I'm still not sure they are backing down.

            To me, it's not a question of a sweep in 2014, it's a question of keeping our democracy. If Obama prevails he will go down in history among that select group of presidents who saved the Union.

            Tea Party projection: they've called POTUS Obama a tyrant, dictator, Stalin/Hitler, when all along they've been plotting coup d'etat.

    •  not in this case - Senate can pass one of the Hous (5+ / 0-)
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      Miggles, 1toughlady, Ender, MartyM, eztempo

      House mini-funding appropriations bills (11 or so, have lost count) - take the House bill that funds the XYZ Agency, amend it to incorporate whatever Senate compromise on the shutdown and debt-ceiling emerges from the Reid / McConnell talks, pass that and send it back to the House.

      This will have met the requirement that it originate with the House.

    •  Yes, but that's a formality... (6+ / 0-)

      The usual trick is to take some unrelated bill that has passed the House, strip out all of the contents, replace with what the Senate really wants, and send it back to the House.

      There are some 40 bills to repeal Obamacare that could be used for such a purpose, and it would be a delicious irony if one of them were used in this way.

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