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  •  Typically after that breaking point (9+ / 0-)

    Society gravitates to an extreme and either the far-right (fascism) or far left (communism or some sort of socialism) takes hold.  It's usually the case, but not always.  

    During the Depression FDR managed to more or less unite American society behind a system where the social safety net was implemented and capitalist excesses were curbed but capitalism itself was retained.  I suppose something like that could happen again within the next decade or two as the younger generation (the most liberal in many generations) assumes more political power and the culture wars fizzle out.

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    by ChadmanFL on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 12:02:21 PM PDT

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    •  Socialism is not "extreme" (4+ / 0-)

      Most developed nations (including pre-raygun America) are governed by some form of socialism... or more accurately democratic socialism. If people "gravitated to" a more social approach to our problems, there might be some hope for this benighted land.

      The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.

      by chuckvw on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 04:28:37 PM PDT

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      •  I was going to point that out. (3+ / 0-)
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        But I presume ChadmanFL is thinking in terms of something as extreme as the USSR, which was at least vaguely socialist, and was certainly putatively socialist, as opposed to being fascist. Of course, at their extremes they're largely indistinguishable -- either way a small group of elites controls everything.

        But yeah, ordinary, run-of-the-mill democratic socialism -- like, the sort of socialism where the people (through their elected government) own the oil deposits, for example, and the hospitals, and the community recreational facilities, and the stadiums, and the water supply, and such -- no, that's not particularly extreme.

        Whereas, fascism is by definition extreme.

        To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

        by UntimelyRippd on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 05:02:46 PM PDT

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        •  Some iterations of fascism (1+ / 0-)
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          are "putatatively socialist". If chadmanfl had referred to the extremes of fascism and communism, I would have been fine with it.

          The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.

          by chuckvw on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 06:31:08 PM PDT

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          •  Yes, I meant extreme socialism (0+ / 0-)

            Borderline outright communism.  For what it's worth I consider myself on the extreme left.

            Though even fascism can be murky.  There actually was a left-wing of the German Nazi Party led by people such as Gregor Strasser.  They were eventually exterminated when Hitler and the right-wing Nazis won the intra-party battle for supremacy.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/...

            Intelligence agencies keep things secret because they often violate the rule of law or of good behavior. -Julian Assange-

            by ChadmanFL on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 07:26:40 PM PDT

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