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  •  Here we go... (11+ / 0-)

    This is directed at no one in particular, just a rant against a particular mindset.

    I criticize Greenwald for his sloppy reporting and his plainly obvious "both sides do it" agenda which breeds disillusionment and cynical laziness, particularly among my generation (millennials). I also tend to see nuance in the NSA story, especially in regards to the role of government. In my view, it's all the more imperative for the left to stake out the case for good government faced with an anarcho-capitalist, American Libertarian opposition bent on destroying our democratic institutions and social safety net.

    Rant off. I'm not a sockpuppet. And I find the innuendo in this diary and some comments to be bullshit flamebait that will confirm a lot of baises around here. But, believe it or not, a lot of liberals share my sentiments.

    •  Im not saying that anyone (21+ / 0-)

      who criticizes Greenwald is a sockpuppet, just highlight at one point and time there was an organized attempt against him and other progressive organizations using puppets to discredit them and their supporters. It is now shown Fox news was doing the same thing to promote their organization and stories under false pretenses.

      "These are established professionals that have a liberal bent, but ultimately most of them if pushed will choose professional preservation over cause, such is the mentality of most business professionals" -BoA/HBGary/CoC

      by LieparDestin on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 10:46:35 AM PDT

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      •  I know, I'm not denying it. (3+ / 0-)
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        I didn't mean to poop in your diary. Just steamed a bit, mostly by some comments, and old scars. Felt I should let my voice be heard. Thanks for listening.

      •  fair enough (1+ / 0-)
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        but a honest suggestion? You might want to edit your diary to include that because as it is your diary seems very open ended and given the history of this topic; well as you can see it leads to people feeling at best annoyed.

        Der Weg ist das Ziel

        by duhban on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 03:01:32 PM PDT

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      •  There was an "organized attempt" (2+ / 0-)
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        against Greenwlad because many (myself included) thinks he is full of shit and a sloppy "journalist"

        He is not a liberal or a progressive, he is a libertarian whose anti govt rants is anti-progressive IMO.

        Right man, right job and right time

        by Ianb007 on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 04:31:53 PM PDT

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        •  Your personal distaste (5+ / 0-)

          For greenwald has nothing to do with the chamber of commerce.bank of America mixed with private security contractors with the backing of the FBI and NSA style digital technology to discredit greenwald, liberal websites and other journalists over their coverage of wiki leaks and the boa hacked data using puppets and disinformation.. That's a little serious than your own personal distaste for the man

          "These are established professionals that have a liberal bent, but ultimately most of them if pushed will choose professional preservation over cause, such is the mentality of most business professionals" -BoA/HBGary/CoC

          by LieparDestin on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 04:38:15 PM PDT

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          •  There are many liberal websites that also slam (2+ / 0-)
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            Greenwald.  It has nothing to do with my distaste for him personally.  

            He is a sloppy journalist who has a propensity for the sensational and misleading narratives to push his agenda.

            Right man, right job and right time

            by Ianb007 on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 05:20:03 PM PDT

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            •  still unrelated (4+ / 0-)
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              to the multimillion dollar program directed against him by those groups and the meetings they had to discuss the attacks.

              "These are established professionals that have a liberal bent, but ultimately most of them if pushed will choose professional preservation over cause, such is the mentality of most business professionals" -BoA/HBGary/CoC

              by LieparDestin on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 05:23:52 PM PDT

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              •  I never claimed they were related. (2+ / 0-)
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                There is a mutl million coordinated effort by these same groups against Obamacare and Social security also.

                The only difference between his and the Obamacare opposition is that he has many detractors on the left also because they think he is full of shit.  

                The fact that there are other groups that are not left of center that think he is full of shit means what?  Am we supposed to feel sorry for him?

                He is just a character in modern punditry that you either love or hate.  The guys spends more time attacking Obama and democrats than he does right wingers that's his schtick, so I have no idea why right wing groups would try to discredit him.

                Right man, right job and right time

                by Ianb007 on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 06:00:11 PM PDT

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        •  Please read this Joan McCarter diary. It debunks (5+ / 0-)
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          the "Glenn Greenwald is a libertarian" myth.

          Thank you.

          Glenn Greenwald Responds to Widespread Lies About Him (on Cato, Iraq War, and more)

          Information is the currency of democracy. ~Thomas Jefferson

          by CIndyCasella on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 05:06:05 PM PDT

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          •  Woops! SuperBowlXX wrote the diary and some of (3+ / 0-)
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            the same GG bashers here were all over that diary, too!  LOL.

            Information is the currency of democracy. ~Thomas Jefferson

            by CIndyCasella on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 05:25:25 PM PDT

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          •  Glen Greenwald claims a lot of stuff that (2+ / 0-)
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            just isn't true.  He has a lot of excuses why he supported Bush and his policies and now doesn't.  WHatever.

            He is anti-Obama and anti the democratic party.

            See here

            http://www.youtube.com/...

            http://thedailybanter.com/...

            Right man, right job and right time

            by Ianb007 on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 05:50:58 PM PDT

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            •  GG supports the US Constitution. So, he is (4+ / 0-)
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              critical of torture, spying on Americans, etc.  The Democratic party needs to defend the US Constitution as their oath of office requires of them or be strong enough to face just criticism.

              Information is the currency of democracy. ~Thomas Jefferson

              by CIndyCasella on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 06:02:25 PM PDT

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              •  GG is not the only one that supports (2+ / 0-)
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                the US constitution.  That's the typical GG condescension that turns a lot of people off.  Greenwald believes that he alone stands for the constitution and people that disagree with him are somehow unamerican.  It's a load of BS.

                Just because he thinks that the NSA program is unconstitutional doesn't mean that it is.  He is not the arbiter of what's constitutional and what's not.  Sorry.

                Right man, right job and right time

                by Ianb007 on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 06:18:40 PM PDT

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                •  You sure make a lot of baseless claims. (2+ / 0-)
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                  You're just another anti-GG bullshit smear peddler, aren't you?




                  Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ J. Garcia

                  by DeadHead on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 06:59:53 PM PDT

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                  •  No I'm just one of many that thinks he is (1+ / 0-)
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                    full of shit.  Many more eloquent and patient than myself have demonstrated in no unmistakable terms just how full of shit he is.

                    I guess it's baseless to point out that GG is not the only one who supports the constitution?  I guess there is a possibility that he is in your eyes.

                    Right man, right job and right time

                    by Ianb007 on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 07:25:41 PM PDT

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                    •  No, this is what was baseless about your comment: (1+ / 0-)
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                      Greenwald believes that he alone stands for the constitution and people that disagree with him are somehow unamerican. It's a load of BS.
                      You're taking your own perception of his positions and dishonestly ascribing it to him as if it were actually his.

                      And he isn't the only one who thinks the NSA is doing some unconstitutional things.

                      Just because you buy into what the government says doesn't mean everyone else with a half a brain can't see for themselves, based on all the documents that have been released, that there's some questionable shit happening.




                      Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ J. Garcia

                      by DeadHead on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 08:37:55 PM PDT

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                      •  You need to research Greenwalds comments (1+ / 0-)
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                        against people that disagree with him or question his work or simply support Obama.  There is nothing baseless in my claim.  His twitter wars with critics and others are well documented.

                        A good place to start would be right here on DKOS

                        Remember this offensive tweet

                        http://www.dailykos.com/...

                        Or how about the Obama raping a nun tweet.

                        http://thegrio.com/...

                        or clashing with MSNBC hosts because they question his NSA reporting

                        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

                        If you disagree about Grrenwalds take on Obama's drone policies you're a sociopath

                        http://www.theguardian.com/...

                        How about his twitter tussle with Joshua Faust and his reporting about the errors and misleading comments contained in Greenwalds NSA reporting.

                        http://joshuafoust.com/...

                        There are numerous articles by Greenwalds fellow journalists that describe him and his petty push back against anyone that questions him.

                        There is a place to decide the constitutionality of what the NSA does.  It's the FISA court and then the supreme court.  Not Mr Greenwalds rants and articles that are riddled with holes and conveniently leave out information that goes against his assertions.

                        Right man, right job and right time

                        by Ianb007 on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 02:08:50 AM PDT

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                        •  So you regurgitate some contentious tweets (0+ / 0-)

                          and his tussle with Foust, a known defense industry shill/NSA apologist, while failing to address this:

                          Greenwald believes that he alone stands for the constitution and people that disagree with him are somehow unamerican. It's a load of BS.
                          I asked you to support that claim, and you tell me to go research a bunch of shit that proves nothing other than Greenwald is a meanie.

                          Sorry, not impressed.




                          Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ J. Garcia

                          by DeadHead on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 12:07:07 PM PDT

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                          •  How convenient of you to ignore (0+ / 0-)
                            and people that disagree with him are somehow unamerican
                             Something which I addressed.

                            The point I am making is that he condescends and insults people that challenge him and disagree with him by comparing them to NAZIs and accusing them of being shills.etc.  Something that you just did so I guess you are down with that type of tactics.

                            The problem with Greenwald was he accused Faust of not revealing the fact that he has worked as a contractor for defense industry when Faust has that prominently displayed on his site.

                            Makes no difference to me weather you're impressed or not.

                            Right man, right job and right time

                            by Ianb007 on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 01:10:42 PM PDT

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                          •  But you failed to address the bolded text (0+ / 0-)

                            I don't care whether he's a meanie to people who disagree with him. He's not the first, and won't be the last, to do so.

                            But using that as a reason to discredit his reporting, and mischaracterizing his positions, however, is another matter.

                            I'm sorry he's hurt President Obama's and your feelings, though.

                            Time heals.




                            Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ J. Garcia

                            by DeadHead on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 02:33:57 PM PDT

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                          •  The bolded text is part of a complete sentence (0+ / 0-)

                            Which I addressed.

                            I never used it as a reason to discredit his reporting.  His sloppiness, lying, hyperbole, flawed logic and omission of details is the reason I don't take him seriously as a reporter.

                            Like Greenwald your petty condescension is a transparent silly tactic.  Yes I'm sure Obama's feelings are hurt.  I take it you have nothing constructive to add.

                            Right man, right job and right time

                            by Ianb007 on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 04:36:11 PM PDT

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                •  Read the Constitution, 4th Amendment. GG is right. (3+ / 0-)
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                  What the NSA is doing to us is certainly unconstitutional.  It's not even up for debate.  Listening into our private phone conversations and recording them for future data mining defies our right to privacy, so does gathering up our e-mail contacts.  

                  Sorry, but there it is.

                  Information is the currency of democracy. ~Thomas Jefferson

                  by CIndyCasella on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 07:56:59 PM PDT

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                  •  The supreme court is the ultimate arbiter of what (0+ / 0-)

                    is constitutional.  They have already ruled that the Govt collecting meta Data from telecoms etc does not violate the 4th amendment.

                    Greenwald who is a constitutional lawyer fails to inform his followers of this.

                    Even GG is not claiming that the govt is listening to our phone conversations without a warrant.

                    Right man, right job and right time

                    by Ianb007 on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 02:14:48 AM PDT

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            •  Yeah, Bob Cesca is credible. (3+ / 0-)
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              He's a great person to ask about Glenn Greenwald.

              LOL.




              Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ J. Garcia

              by DeadHead on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 06:57:24 PM PDT

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    •  What innuendo in the diary? (10+ / 0-)

      The mere mention of Greenwald? The word "sockpuppet?"

      Because I just reread it again, and those are the only things I can see as being even remotely connected to some past controversies here on this site.

      Other than that, all I see are one or two people amongst the comments going out of their way to deny charges that were never made against them personally in the first place.




      Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ J. Garcia

      by DeadHead on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 01:48:32 PM PDT

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