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  •  Because you say so ? (14+ / 0-)
    Accidental deaths from shooting is extremely low,
    Its interesting that you down play the reality .
    It says a great deal about you as a human being .

    Death from Polio in the U.S. is extremely low these days ,
    accidental deaths from shootings are not .

    Please tell me how many have to die before you stop saying

    Accidental deaths from shooting is extremely low,
    If there was someone you cared about and they were shot dead , would your statement
    Accidental deaths from shooting is extremely low,
    make any difference at all ? Would you be thankful that they didn't die by
    motor vehicles, drowning, choking, poisoning or fire

    Would you say thanks because they were not killed via

    motor vehicles, drowning, choking, poisoning or fire
    when they were shot dead ?

    "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. H.

    by indycam on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 12:34:43 PM PDT

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    •  How many? (4+ / 0-)
      Death from Polio in the U.S. is extremely low these days, accidental deaths from shootings are not.
      Good thing you picked something relevant to the United States of the 21st century to compare it to. You would have looked silly if you had compared to something that had been largely eradicated before you were even born.
      Please tell me how many have to die before you stop saying
      Accidental deaths from shooting is extremely low,
      I think if you assigned a level of importance to accidental deaths appropriate to the level of risk or number of fatalities, he might stop saying it for a while.

      But that would require ethical consistency on your part, so I don't see him staying quiet about it anytime soon.

      According to the CDC, there were 606 deaths due to accidental firearms discharge in 2010. There were 3,782 drownings, 2,782 fire-related deaths, 33,041 fatal poisonings and 35,332 fatalities in motor vehicle accidents.

      So, since the number of accidental firearms deaths is 1/5th of the smallest of these and 1/60th of the largest, I think the assessment of risk as "extremely low" compared to them is entirely accurate.

      Unlike your perception of said risk.

      •  I said this elsewhere, but it bears repeating. (3+ / 0-)
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        Apparently, facts are of no interest, in some circles.

        Good of you to try, though.

        "No amount of belief makes something a fact." --James Randi

        by theatre goon on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 02:07:22 PM PDT

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      •  Questioning someone's ethics (8+ / 0-)

        instead of answering their questions. Celebrated, of course, by the gun lobby. That sort of trollish behavior is their response to someone concerned about people dying and your pals trying to minimize and dismiss death and suffering. And yet they wonder how it is their liberal bonafides come into question.

        Guns don't kill people. People kill guns. -- this message brought to you by the Night Vale chapter of the N.R.A.

        by tytalus on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 02:31:50 PM PDT

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      •  Why is it that in every comment you have to (5+ / 0-)

        make it personal, questioning the ethics of those on the other side of the debate?  I have noticed this pattern with you for quite some time.  Don't let yourself be consumed by fanaticism.

        •  Not questioning his ethics at all (2+ / 0-)
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          FrankRose, theatre goon

          He wants to reduce gun violence. So do I. What I am questioning is his ethical consistency. Items of equal risk ought to deserve equal treatment under the law, I would think. And something several times more risky or harmful ought to be subject to more scrutiny, not less. My approach to reducing preventable risk is proportionate to the risk. Is that such an awful thing to ask for? Apparently so.

          The victims of any of these causes of death are no less dead than those from any other cause. To focus on one particular set is no lapse of ethics, we each have things we consider important. Someone out there is dedicated to making swimming pools safer. Someone else is designing better childproof caps for household chemicals. Good for them.

          But to insist that your particular set is deserving of extra-special extra-severe regulation because it extra-special important to you is bias. In extreme cases of irrationality, one might even say they are "consumed by fanaticism".

          As far as "making it personal" goes, when you propose a law or regulation or change of status that directly affects me or my family, that is personal, and it does not matter if it is about guns, sexual orientation, faith (or lack thereof) or whatever. Your "right" to be free of fear of blacks gays muslims immigrants secular humanists guns is something that comes from within, from a rational assessment of risk, not by demanding the government restrict everyone else.

      •  Well now , how interesting (7+ / 0-)
        largely eradicated
        lets do the very same for guns . Lets largely eradicate the harm done to human beings by firearms .
        I think if you assigned a level of importance to accidental deaths
        100% importance . Next .
        So, since the number of accidental firearms deaths is 1/5th of the smallest of these and 1/60th of the largest, I think the assessment of risk as "extremely low" compared to them is entirely accurate.
        Doing funny math is such fun .
        Heart disease: 597,689
        So by your logic the death by drowning risk is extremely low .
        In fact the risk , by your logic , of "Diabetes: 69,071" or "Influenza and Pneumonia: 50,097" is extremely low .

        I reject your funny math .
        As for your claim

        But that would require ethical consistency on your part,
        I laugh at you .

        "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. H.

        by indycam on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 05:46:37 PM PDT

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        •  It's your only option (1+ / 0-)
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          I laugh at you.
          Since you lack the ability to either formulate a coherent rebuttal or quit while you're behind, I guess laughing is one of the few choices you have left.

          And please, leave the snark and condescension to professionals. Go find an elementary school playground where you can practice, and don't come back until you can at least hold your own against the average 5th grader. A good measure will be when your comments start making enough sense that coquiero stops rec'ing them.

          •  You are so smart (5+ / 0-)

            that you feel free to be insulting ?
            Your advice is worth the paper its written on and not a grain of sand more . I'm still laughing at you and your comments , they are so very very worthless .

            against the average 5th grader.
            You do think highly of yourself don't you . I'd say you aren't up to an average 5th grader , but what you claim must be true .

            You want to be insulting , go for it , insults from the gutter are humorous to me , keep on keeping on .

            "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. H.

            by indycam on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 08:24:51 PM PDT

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          •  Oh check this out ! (2+ / 0-)
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            coquiero, earlybird

            http://www.dailykos.com/...
            In a reply to Laurence Lewis you ever so brilliantly commented  

            Lawrence, go back under your bridge
            but you're just being a troll
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            Your judgement on everything and anything can be completely , totally and permanently be disregarded as nothing of valve or substance . You have shown yourself thoroughly unworthy of even the slightest concern from any thinking , feeling , human .

            "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. H.

            by indycam on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 08:36:10 PM PDT

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            •  Well, that settles it (3+ / 0-)
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              FrankRose, Kasoru, theatre goon

              I disagree with those who speak for Daily Kos, therefore my judgement on anything and everything can be completely, totally and permanently disregarded as nothing of value or substance. I guess I'll have to go join a political philosophy that values diversity over lockstep adherence to ideology.

              Oh wait...

              •  Not "disagree" (2+ / 0-)
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                coquiero, earlybird

                you called him a troll . You failed miserably there to even get close to the truth . You actually said to a Featured Writer

                go back under your bridge
                Its so F'ing funny ! You got it 100% backwards . You flung your little tiny worthless insults and everyone with any clue can see you failed completely to even get close to hitting the mark . Glock leg is the only thing that even comes close to what you did .

                You are hilarious !

                "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. H.

                by indycam on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 08:54:20 PM PDT

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            •  I thought that (1+ / 0-)
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              theatre goon

              digging up shit from old diaries was HR'able and not allowed. What a dick move.

              •  It's a dick move, as you point out... (1+ / 0-)
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                Kasoru

                ...but, unfortunately, is not listed as a violation according to the new site guidelines.

                Personally, I find that unfortunate, because now there seems to be no recourse against such clearly poor behavior.

                That said, it doesn't appear that the new guidelines really takes the place of the myriad of random rules that have been written by various people at various times, if one is to pay attention to what gets HRed when people feel like HRing it -- it looks like we're still in the same old situation of whatever rules someone wants to enforce are enforced, and others are ignored when it suits...

                "No amount of belief makes something a fact." --James Randi

                by theatre goon on Sat Oct 26, 2013 at 03:10:47 AM PDT

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                •  You don't have a leg to stand on (1+ / 0-)
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                  coquiero

                  your insult is a dick move all of its own , you are in violation of the rules yourself .

                  "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. H.

                  by indycam on Sat Oct 26, 2013 at 08:11:49 AM PDT

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                  •  Nonsense. (1+ / 0-)
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                    FrankRose

                    I leveled no insult at anyone, which is quite clear to anyone who actually read my posting.

                    My legs are just fine, by the way, but I think you for your interest.

                    "No amount of belief makes something a fact." --James Randi

                    by theatre goon on Sat Oct 26, 2013 at 08:18:31 AM PDT

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                    •  Oh really ? (1+ / 0-)
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                      coquiero

                      What a dick move you are trying to pull off !

                      My legs are just fine, by the way, but I think you for your interest.
                      Do you not understand the phrase ? Do you need it explained to you ?

                      http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/...

                      not have a leg to stand on
                      to be in a situation where you cannot prove something
                      http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/...
                      not have a leg to stand on
                      Fig. [for an argument or a case] to have no support.
                      You already admitted that you don't have a leg to stand on .
                      unfortunately, is not listed as a violation according to the new site guidelines.

                      "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. H.

                      by indycam on Sat Oct 26, 2013 at 08:27:46 AM PDT

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                      •  Yes, I know what it means. (1+ / 0-)
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                        FrankRose

                        It was rather silly and irrelevant in this context, so I treated it as such.

                        My apologies, if that wasn't obvious.  Perhaps I was being too subtle, in my humor.  Clearly, you didn't really follow along with the rest of my comment, either.

                        Either way, you have a fantastic day.

                        "No amount of belief makes something a fact." --James Randi

                        by theatre goon on Sat Oct 26, 2013 at 08:33:36 AM PDT

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                        •  Subtle ? Humor ? (1+ / 0-)
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                          coquiero

                          Laughable !!!

                          You don't have a leg to stand on and your dancing around only shows the truth of it .

                          Yes, I know what it means.
                          Then your reply was nothing but nothing , a ridiculous game . I have absolutely no concern for your leg/s , none what so ever . I have seen more than enough of your style from your comments to know that you are less than nobody to me . Your disregard for the truth and your fellow human beings makes you into a person I will never care about for even a moment . You have shown yourself over and over . You have made it quite clear for anyone to see . Your small little games are transparent and show the real you .

                          "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. H.

                          by indycam on Sat Oct 26, 2013 at 09:15:30 AM PDT

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                  •  There should be a rule that says if you're in a (3+ / 0-)
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                    diary you have to comment on the subject matter at least as much as you comment about your grave concerns about user behavior.

                    What do you call a troll who enters a diary only to comment on people's behavior?  Behavior troll?  HR troll?  Rule troll? Eternall aggrieved troll?

                    That's what appears to be happening here, as usual with this particular user.  His comments are 5% subject mater, 95% "you're not very nice"-type comments.

                    I blog about my daughter with autism at her website

                    by coquiero on Sat Oct 26, 2013 at 08:41:37 AM PDT

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                •  FAQ pages are not random rules (1+ / 0-)
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                  That said, it doesn't appear that the new guidelines really takes the place of the myriad of random rules that have been written by various people at various times,
                  Here is a nice little set written by Hunter .
                  I want to make one point especially clear. Do not rate based on which side of an issue someone is on. This is very important. A comment that should be hidden is a comment that should be hidden, regardless of which side of an issue it takes. If you are rating down comments from "the opposing side" of an issue, you had well better rate down similar comments if they come from your side of the issue. If you are giving positive ratings to insults hurled by your own side, thus rewarding obnoxious behavior, you are similarly sabotaging community moderation efforts. This "double standard" has been all too transparent, in candidate diaries: community moderation doesn't work if large portions of the community explicitly refuse to moderate themselves according to the same standards to which they hold others.

                  "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. H.

                  by indycam on Sat Oct 26, 2013 at 08:20:45 AM PDT

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              •  You are very mistaken . (3+ / 0-)
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                coquiero, tytalus, Glen The Plumber

                Hunter has said that it is allowable and not against the rules .
                The dick move is all yours .

                There isn't actually any site rule that says you can't quote hidden comments in order to make a point. You should still think carefully about doing it -- after all, they were hidden because we believe that they are so unrepresentative of the community as to be unworthy of display -- but there are valid reasons to bring them up, and it isn't against the rules to do so.
                If you can find a rule stating what you claim to be the truth , go for it , otherwise you are just objecting and insulting for your own personal reasons .

                I can show quotes pasted on the front page by front pagers that are quotes from old posts .

                "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. H.

                by indycam on Sat Oct 26, 2013 at 08:10:14 AM PDT

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            •  Damn! He seems to yearn for the days when... (2+ / 0-)
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              ...you could order dynamite by the case from the sears catalogue.

              Prior to the 1920's, you could order any gun you wanted through the mail, with no identity confirmation or background check. You could order dynamite by the case from the Sears catalog the same way. Doesn't seem much like the government was interested in restricting ownership of this sort of thing.
    •  Add listeria to the list (3+ / 0-)
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      Only a few hundred listeria fatalities per year. Hear! Hear!

      "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

      by LilithGardener on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 05:15:58 PM PDT

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