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  •  Yeah - statewide elections are a problem (4+ / 0-)
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    MNDem999, phonegery, elwior, Calamity Jean

    Because then city residents all get to vote, instead of having their districts drawn such that each city resident vote counts as some fraction of a vote.

    If this push to eff with the Senate gets going there is an easy solution. Populous States can just divide into new states and then each new state will get 2 Senators too.

    Imagine -
    NJ splits into 3 new states:
    North Jersey
    Atlantic Jersey
    South Jersey

    Pennsylvania splits into 3 new states:
    Chester
    Pennsyltucky
    Pittsfreed

    Virginia splits into 2 new states:
    North Virginia
    South Virginia

    Massachusetts splits into 2 new states
    Bostonia
    Berkshire

    New York splits into 5 new states. Let's consider what impact that would have on the Senate.

    Staten Island becomes a separate state -
    1 R and 1 D (probably)

    Brooklyn and Queens join with the rest of the island making the new state of Long Island - 2 D Senators, Peter King swings left and becomes the Governor.

    That leaves Manhattan, the Bronx, and Westchester to form the new state of South New York, which now becomes a swing state with Christine Quinn as it's first Governor - 1R and 1 D Senator

    All the counties from Albany north join to become the new state of Adirondack. 1R and 1 D Senator

    And all the other counties west of the Hudson River join to form the new state of Mohawk Lakes. 1 R and 1 D Senator.

    Since all these new states are swing states and all campaigns spend big the entire region experiences economic growth above the national average. Other states divide as they try replicate "New York Miracle."

    Perhaps I missed my calling and should try a turn at fiction?!

    "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

    by LilithGardener on Sat Nov 02, 2013 at 11:11:16 AM PDT

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    •  I've always wanted my very own Senator. (3+ / 0-)
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      LilithGardener, elwior, eztempo

      And I think the rest of California should have at least 20.

    •  I do NOT (2+ / 0-)
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      want Peter King as my Governor!

      Seriously - Staten island becomes its own state? There are about 450,000 people living there, which would make it the smallest state in the union by population (and probably by geographical area, too).

      There are about 2.5 million people living in Brooklyn. How about Brooklyn becomes its own state? 2 Dem Senators and a real Dem Governor, for sure. I'd even consider hooking up with Queens to become a state. Together we'd have almost 5 million people, and be the 23rd largest state in the country. Still with 2 Dem senators and a real Dem governor.

      "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."........ "The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." (yeah, same guy.)

      by sidnora on Sat Nov 02, 2013 at 02:22:06 PM PDT

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      •  No? (2+ / 0-)
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        So to inflict that dystopian idea on your this fine Saturday afternoon.

        You're right that S.I. would be the smallest state by themselves, but maybe they would join with North New Jersey.

        Thanks for playing along, I initially thought of each borough becoming a state but that seemed a bridge to far. So I was thinking of what geographical boundaries had originally played a role in shaping state boundaries.

        I think I also skipped right over the mid-Hudson counties, east of the Hudson River. Ooops!

        "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

        by LilithGardener on Sat Nov 02, 2013 at 02:37:09 PM PDT

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        •  As long as (2+ / 0-)
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          LilithGardener, elwior

          the Senate is limited to 2 per state, and the House doesn't add any members (which they could and IMO should), your idea is very welcome. I just take exception to your state lines.

          Queens and Brooklyn would make a very cohesive political unit, as would Nassau and Suffolk. Staten Island really is closer to NJ culturally as well as geographically. Mid-Hudson would make an interesting swing state, I think.

          "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."........ "The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." (yeah, same guy.)

          by sidnora on Sat Nov 02, 2013 at 02:56:39 PM PDT

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    •  I just noticed Penciltuckey. (0+ / 0-)

      ROFLMO thanks.

      A true craftsman will meticulously construct the apparatus of his own demise.

      by onionjim on Sun Nov 03, 2013 at 06:08:08 PM PST

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