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  •  And the condition given (1+ / 0-)
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    is that they marry within the tribe, so the tribe does not lose the land, which is to say that the tribal portion remains contiguous. So they actually have to marry within the faith.

    Being attentive to the needs of others might not be the point of life, but it is the work of life. It can be ... almost impossibly difficult. But it is not something we give. It is what we get in exchange for having to die. - Jonathan Safran Foer

    by ramara on Fri Nov 08, 2013 at 12:28:55 PM PST

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    •  one wonders what happens if one of the 5 does not (1+ / 0-)
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      ever marry ... does she get to "enjoy" (in the legal meaning of the word) her property or does a bro-in-law control it, or what.

      what am i saying???  she's a woman of property, of course she'll be married!  (possibly whether she likes it or not. ~sigh~)

      BTW, i have to  :}  that it appears what i wrote about how polygamy may have operated may itself have been interpreted as endorsement.  actually i was exploring the possibilities.  it's such an anciently-rooted extremely persistent somewhat global phenomenon if perhaps patchy here'n'there, that there must be aspects of how it operated in undocumented eras that we in our culture cannot readily grasp or perhaps imagine.  reading The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress in highschool, (the only Heinlein book i actually liked ... the rest ... feh) i got some viewpoints that are different than those one usually hears about polygamy, polyandry, & etc., and from time to time since then have heard or read such ideas and additional ones discussed or written about with varying degrees of seriousness.  i don't see reason to assume that two or more women married to the same man at the same time must automatically be enemies of one another - instead of assuming that that always and inevitably happens, i tend to think that there is more than one rational response to the situation, and that the choice of position (either carefully arrived at or kneejerk, or somewhere in between) depends on what's the cost vs benefit of possible responses.

      just musing...

      •  From what I've read (2+ / 0-)
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        mettle fatigue, Batya the Toon

        I think that sometimes an older wife can be motherly towards a younger, and some Mormons, before they gave it up, became developed sisterly relationships.

        Of course, every family's dysfunction is unique.

        Being attentive to the needs of others might not be the point of life, but it is the work of life. It can be ... almost impossibly difficult. But it is not something we give. It is what we get in exchange for having to die. - Jonathan Safran Foer

        by ramara on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 01:10:58 AM PST

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      •  I'm fond of that Heinlein book myself :D (1+ / 0-)
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        mettle fatigue

        and I do particularly like his construction of group marriages, clan marriages, line marriages and so forth.

        There's certainly no inherent reason why two or more women married to the same man must automatically be enemies; it just becomes very likely when other societal factors set up the marriage, and the property rights therein, as a zero-sum game.  Different societal setup would create different dynamics.

    •  "Within the faith" I think is assumed (0+ / 0-)

      as marriages outside the faith wouldn't have been considered legally binding with regard to property rights, I don't think.

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