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  •  We could start by slapping a big hunk of (15+ / 0-)

    duct tape across the mouth of anyone who starts with that "both parties are the same" shit. First of all, I seriously question whether it's true -- because it's certainly not from my viewpoint. But worst of all, it creates, magnifies and amplifies any shred of voter of apathy that might be out there. Anything that depresses turnout hurts the Dems, we know that. So if you think the Dems are "just the same" as the Rs, maybe you should a) STFU and go find some evidence or b) get involved in your party and change things!

    imnsho.

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    by jan4insight on Wed Nov 06, 2013 at 12:00:30 PM PST

    •  imagine a world where it's only Coke/Pepsi (5+ / 0-)

      and both of them get worse and worse each year. If those are our only two choices then...what if?

      what if one of them (the Republican one) starts putting in sewer water, full of whatever's in sewers? And what if the other one doesn't...but just flavors it to taste like sewer water?

      In that sort of situation (and remember, those are our only choices) should we just shut up about how awful both are? Or should we smile and say "we like it!" when we're drinking our sewer water flavored beverage?

      Dear NSA: I am only joking.

      by Shahryar on Wed Nov 06, 2013 at 12:13:45 PM PST

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      •  Democrats at least stand for something. (2+ / 0-)
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        Looking at Republican House, the GOP stands for nothing. They don't introduce any ideas; they just shoot ideas down.

        The two parties are quite dissimilar in that way.

        If the GOP doesn't want to govern, they should just fucking go home and suck their thumbs.

        -4.75, -5.33 Cheney 10/05/04: "I have not suggested there is a connection between Iraq and 9/11."

        by sunbro on Wed Nov 06, 2013 at 01:07:50 PM PST

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        •  I believe you and I stand for something (3+ / 0-)

          but I feel the party leaders do not. When I was reading the many "Why I am a Democrat" diaries I kept thinking that the things we believe in, the way we want this country to be, are less important to our elected Democrats.

          I would love to see those people write they they are Democrats. And then there needs to be a way to hold them to it.

          I really feel that it's an unnecessary chore to hold them to being true Democrats, though. Why in the world should we have to keep hammering our own? Just so they'll vote the right way, so they'll stand up to the Republicans? If we have to force them to act right then maybe we need different Democrats in office.

          Which is why I get so frustrated with what goes on.

          Dear NSA: I am only joking.

          by Shahryar on Wed Nov 06, 2013 at 01:58:52 PM PST

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        •  Thoroughly disagree (1+ / 0-)
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          The reason the Republicans are allowed to inflict their nihilistic policies on the country is because the Democrats stand out of their way after the elections are over.  

          Shirley Chisholm was right. Our Republic is in deep trouble.

          by Big River Bandido on Wed Nov 06, 2013 at 02:39:16 PM PST

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          •  So GOP gerrymandered districts, (1+ / 0-)
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            and GOP voter-suppression have had no effect on American politics, yes?

            It's just because the Democratic politicians aren't doing their jobs that we can't get any legislation passed or nominations through?

            -4.75, -5.33 Cheney 10/05/04: "I have not suggested there is a connection between Iraq and 9/11."

            by sunbro on Wed Nov 06, 2013 at 02:46:51 PM PST

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            •  Part of Congresspeoples' job (1+ / 0-)
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              is pushing for things that benefit your political coalition.  In short, if gerrymandering would help Democrats, they should do it.  Certainly, the Democrats should be pulling out all the stops and playing every brand of dirty politics they know — in order to stop the Republicans from doing it.  Politics is a Machiavellian art, and not for the faint-hearted.  

              Shirley Chisholm was right. Our Republic is in deep trouble.

              by Big River Bandido on Wed Nov 06, 2013 at 02:59:06 PM PST

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        •  Ordinary voters don't care about process. (0+ / 0-)

          People who follow politics intently, daily - these are the only ones who care about that stuff. (Frankly, within this subset, we on the left are far outnumbered by the Limbaugh/RedState/Faux News crowd.) Most people don't read & post on political blogs, don't watch cable news all day. The young people that the Democrats NEED to motivate in order to win elections aren't necessarily interested in the daily goings-on in Washington. What they are interested in is results, or "deliverables" we could say. In 2008 Obama was something to get excited about; by 2010 he had revealed himself to be just another conventional politician. Whether it's cynicism or disillusionment, the problem may just be that young people know that the Democrats either lack the will or the political power to deliver on what they promise.

    •  That won't work (2+ / 0-)
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      This is what you plan to say to people that don't vote? STFU?

      So if you think the Dems are "just the same" as the Rs, maybe you should a) STFU and go find some evidence or b) get involved in your party and change things!
      It should be easy for people to tell the difference between Republicans and Democrats. Yes the corporate media is partly to blame. But so are Democrats - there should be no question. None. They should be governing in a way that people can easily tell the difference.

      Then the lectures won't be necessary.

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      by BentLiberal on Wed Nov 06, 2013 at 01:16:31 PM PST

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      •  The lectures aren't necessary. (2+ / 0-)
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        The parties are completely different.

        •  BOTH parties voted for the sequester (3+ / 0-)

          Fully half of the members of the House Progressive Caucus voted for the sequester.  

          That's a profile of a party that doesn't stand for anything.  

          Shirley Chisholm was right. Our Republic is in deep trouble.

          by Big River Bandido on Wed Nov 06, 2013 at 02:41:00 PM PST

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          •  So what. (0+ / 0-)

            It reduced the military budget by a lot. Do you want a bigger military?

            •  ??? (0+ / 0-)

              It hasn't reduced military spending much at all.  That's supposed to be the next round, and predictably, Democrats and Republicans are doing everything they can to stop that round of cuts from taking place.  

              But seniors, college students, people in the armed forces, working people, poor people?  They get the screws.  

              Further, the sequester is responsible for all of our political paralysis for the last two years.  Democrats who voted for that law handed Republicans a club with which to beat Democrats over the head for the foreseeable future.  

              Shirley Chisholm was right. Our Republic is in deep trouble.

              by Big River Bandido on Thu Nov 07, 2013 at 08:35:35 AM PST

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        •  In your eyes (1+ / 0-)
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          You are speaking the truth for you.

          But I gather they do not appear to be different enough to the people who Kos is saying need to vote.

          Il est dangereux d’avoir raison dans des choses où des hommes accrédités ont tort. - Voltaire
          Don't trust anyone over 84414 - BentLiberal

          by BentLiberal on Wed Nov 06, 2013 at 02:50:55 PM PST

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          •  The people who need to vote don't understand (0+ / 0-)

            the importance of a midterm election. Note that these same people do have a great track record of showing up for presidential election

            If we follow your logic, the people love the policies of Obama but hate the policies of Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi.

            Right?

            •  In a sense, yes (0+ / 0-)

              although I think you may be overestimating the level of detail they are aware of. They're not interested to the extent that posters at this website are.

              Il est dangereux d’avoir raison dans des choses où des hommes accrédités ont tort. - Voltaire
              Don't trust anyone over 84414 - BentLiberal

              by BentLiberal on Thu Nov 07, 2013 at 10:09:43 AM PST

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    •  Hear, hear! n/t (1+ / 0-)
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      Proud to be a Democrat

      by Lying eyes on Wed Nov 06, 2013 at 01:18:28 PM PST

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    •  There are differences (3+ / 0-)

      between the two -- those need to be highlighted.

      Democrats aren't that interested in regulating women's uteruses.

      Democrats aren't putting up roadblocks to voting.

      You get the picture.

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      by Cali Scribe on Wed Nov 06, 2013 at 01:24:07 PM PST

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    •  amen Jan (2+ / 0-)
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      by wishingwell on Wed Nov 06, 2013 at 01:36:45 PM PST

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