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  •  What about fire and police departments? (3+ / 0-)
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    gooderservice, tummy, Rogneid

    seems like they deserve a call-out in the "bad" category

    Not to mention hospitals, 7-11s, and airlines.

    Just saying, for those who hate Thanksgiving, making it a "business as usual" day is a step in the right direction.

    Kinda like the battles fought over the "Lord's Day" (aka "Sunday") decades ago.

    •  Oh, yeah, in my comment downthread, I did say (3+ / 0-)
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      Roadbed Guy, Gordon20024, Rogneid

      I was missing some.

      Fire department, and airlines.  Pilots, flight attendants, TSA, they're all working, including "airport security."

    •  So tell us what happens (3+ / 0-)
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      Tonedevil, duhban, Bronx59

      When all those holidays that some people DON'T hate become mandatory workdays?

      •  Such as what? (0+ / 0-)

        Columbus Day, maybe?  Just saying, in the hometown of this site's Brave Leader, that particular holiday is held in such low esteem that it's been given a different name (Indigenous People's Day, or some such thing).

        And in that vein, there have been vehement anti-Thanksgiving diaries right here at DailyKos in the past, considering how the holiday in essence celebrates the demise of this continent's indigenous peoples . ..

    •  Your first two points have to be facetious. (1+ / 0-)
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      Otherwise you undercut your entire argument.

      Please know I am not rude. I cannot rec anything from this browser. When I rec or post diaries I am a guest at some exotic locale's computer. Ayn is the bane!

      by Floyd Blue on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 01:11:20 PM PST

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    •  Well... (1+ / 0-)
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      Roadbed Guy

      I live in Las Vegas where many businesses are literally open 24/7/365.  People learn to make their own holiday time, and it really doesn't matter if it is the day before or after.  Just having family and friends makes the day.  But, people should be getting double time if it is necessary to work on a holiday.  My wife does.

    •  When Walmart becomes an essential service (5+ / 0-)

      like hospitals, police, fire, pharmacies, and gas stations, then I might consider patronizing them on Thanksgiving and Christmas.
      BTW, I am an RN, and very often work these holidays, but I am well compensated.

    •  Mission critical != cheap merchandise sales dept. (2+ / 0-)
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      Madge Montgomery, allergywoman

      I always like when people bring up mission critical, minus 7-11, jobs when comparing professions that have to work on holidays. You'll find that saving people's lives( Hospitals, Police) or giving people a means of transportation (Gas station attendants, Airlines) are far more greatly important than giving people a means of buying cheap gifts. Not only are these professions not equal in terms of importance but in salary too. So, in essence you are asking a person who's average income is 15,080 to perform on the same day as a Police officer (52,581) or a nurse (40,900) or even a stewardess (56,145) is most certainly ludicrous.

      •  How much do people get working (0+ / 0-)

        "providing transportation" aka working at the service station dispensing gasoline and lottery tickets? Not so much I'm thinking . . .

        But in any event, I'm sure that all the WalMart employees out there appreciate you dissing them by telling them their jobs aren't important.  I could be true, but is a job like an airline pilot, doing more than one's share in destroying the planet via carbon pollution important?  Could be, but not in a good way . . . .

    •  What about fire and police departments? (0+ / 0-)

      Can you say "Double time" or "Time and a half"? Plus, they work it out among themselves who works which holiday- trying to give guys with families the day off etc. Police and Fire departments are also essential services- and Walmart is far from essential, even on non-holidays.

      Fear not the path of truth, for the lack of people walking on it. -- Robert Francis Kennedy

      by narrowback gal on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 10:07:49 AM PST

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      •  I should say "people" not guys... (0+ / 0-)

        I was thinking of the cops and firefighters I know who happen to be men, but of course, the same applies for women on the job.

        Fear not the path of truth, for the lack of people walking on it. -- Robert Francis Kennedy

        by narrowback gal on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 10:11:53 AM PST

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    •  There is a big difference! (0+ / 0-)

      Hospitals, fire and police, military, etc. MUST be open 24/7 in order to handle emergencies.  Family time and even religious observances have to yield to safety of life and property.  Example: circa 70 BCE, the Roman general Gnaeus Pompeius (Pompey) was besieging Jerusalem. he observed the peculiar custom of the Jews, of refraining from all kinds of work one day a week.  He attacked on the Sabbath and captured the city without a fight.

      The Jewish people learned from that, and more recently, in 1973, the surrounding Arab countries, led by Egypt, attacked Israel on the holiest day of the year, Yom Kippur.  Israel's defense forces were ready, fought back, and took some Arab land before the Arab countries surrendered.

      And we know that the most heinous sneak attack in the 20th century was launched on the Christian Sabbath late in 1941 by Japan against Pearl Harbor, bringing the U.S. into World War II.

      So we know that threats to peace and safety can occur on any day of the week or any holiday; military attack, disasters, sickness, crime, etc.  But the "emergency" of running out of a food product or decoration on a holiday is not an emergency; much less the desire to go shopping for gifts to give on the next holiday, with four or five weeks to finish the job.  So there is no reason for stores not to close on holidays (except pharmacies, for emergency prescription refills; and store management figures that since that one department needs to be open, the rest of the store might as well be also).

    •  Good for those who HATE Thanksgiving. (0+ / 0-)

      The problem is that most who are required to work -- don't.

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