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  •  Even a busted clock is right twice a day... (1+ / 0-)
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    Yup, even ALEC takes the right side on occasion, though for nefarious reasons. Inflated solar subsidies are an "income redistribution" from those of us who can't afford solar arrays to the wealthy who can, and any real progressive should thus oppose them!

    •  The subsidies have already gone to zero. (11+ / 0-)

      What's imminent here are penalties for going green.

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      by Code Monkey on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 11:49:15 AM PST

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      •  People should take a look at Virginia (3+ / 0-)
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        which passed some kind of law a year or two ago that applied to exactly one house at the time it passed which had gone solar and was close to completely independent of the electric company.

        The owners of the house are now charged a maintenance fee for the electricity that they are not using! And it was no small amount either. It had the basic effect of neutralizing almost all the economic gains the family made by going solar in the first place.

        The reasoning was that the utility was still obligated to maintain poles, wires, power stations etc and it was unfair for these folks and other folks in the future not to pay their share towards maintaining the infrastructure.

        I could have seen a small charge, but I was blown away by the amount they ended up being charged.

        I may have some of the details wrong, but that is the gist of the situation as I recall. When I read the story it was obvious to me that the idea was to put the kibosh on anyone who thought they were going to escape the tentacles of the electric company by going solar.

        But like anything, if we were to have thoughtful responsible ecologically principled people in our statehouses, a bad policy can be reversed down the road.

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        by Phoebe Loosinhouse on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 01:23:47 PM PST

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    •  By that logic ... (10+ / 0-)

      Local shops are "income redistribution" of the extra cost of goods bought there to local shop owners, from those who could have saved money by buying at Walmart. There's a big difference between economic justice and a lowest-price guarantee. Also, long-term ecocide will cost you and your children a lot more in the long term than slightly-higher electric bills in the shor term.

    •  Anything can be spun to the benefit of the 1% (6+ / 0-)

      Another perspective is that solar power is a technology shift equal to the shift from wood to coal.

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      by Just Bob on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 11:56:38 AM PST

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    •  Nonsense (6+ / 0-)

      There are no "subsidies" -- the corporate utilities basically want to impose a tax on their comeptition.

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      by stevemb on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 12:03:18 PM PST

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    •  I really think you are missing the point (0+ / 0-)

      The incentives dramatically kick started the business.

      Rates are dropping fast.

      You are a super smart technical lady, have you priced
      buying a kit from Lowes?

      It's like $2/watt and they are ripping you off.

      Kit prices are falling fast.

      you can install your own now.  Save the installer costs.

      or as you are in the Dakotas, look at getting a Wind kit,
      1500 watts,  and watch what happens.

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