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  •  Wanna Bet? (2+ / 0-)
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    Roadbed Guy, samddobermann

    No, seriously. I will bet you $5000 that Pope Francis does not sell any of the Church's property to spend more on helping the poor.

    And "after you die" doesn't win the bet. Man, faith is a helluva drug. Will you believe anything?

    "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

    by DocGonzo on Mon Nov 18, 2013 at 05:18:28 PM PST

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    •  VERY tempting! (0+ / 0-)

      $5000?

      BET: "Pope Francis does not sell ANY of the Church's property to spend more on helping the poor."

      WOW!
      Really??

      According to some, the Vatican has millions/billions/trillions of dollars/euros/yen of "property" on every continent on earth except Antarctica.
      Do you mean "property" as in real estate? Or just property as in "something they own"?

      So....if in, say, St. Cloud, Minnesota, a Catholic church (which, by law, is OWNED BY the Catholic Church in the United States, which is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Vatican) decides to sell it's 1897 tracker-action pipe organ and four pews in its side chapel and give the proceeds to the Milwaukee St. Vincent DePaul Clothes Closet that gives away free clothing, I win the bet?

      If the Lima, Peru city government wants to widen a boulevard in downtown and uses eminent domain to acquire a vacant lot (REAL ESTATE!) owned by the Catholic church, and pays the church compensation, and the Church uses even 10% of the proceeds to pay for a new well to be drilled in an isolated village that will provide safe drinking water for the 90% in poverty, I win the bet?

      Or does it need to be Pope Francis PERSONALLY signing off on a sale? (You know, the way Jamie Dimon PERSONALLY signs off on every foreclosure at his Monster Bank?)
           Well then what about his apartment in Buenos Aires? Do we know if he OWNED it? Did he sell it when he got a better job and relocated? By all accounts it was located in a middle-class (at best) neighborhood. If he sold it to Argentinian Catholic Charities and the ACC is letting a poor family of 8 live there rent free, does that count? Do I win the bet?

      Really?

      Are these your terms?

      Who will arbitrate?
      Who will hold the bets and declare a winner?
      How will you define "the poor"? (After all, pick out any single person to practice charity upon and odds are overwhelming we can always find someone, somewhere, even "Poorer"...and if so, then the charity has not been given to "the poor (-est)" and so does not count.)
      Do you have a time frame?

      Just asking....

      Shalom.

      "God has given wine to gladden the hearts of people." Psalm 104:15

      by WineRev on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 04:45:45 AM PST

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