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  •  It's not an attack on Alvarez... (0+ / 0-)

    By all accounts I've heard he's a good guy. That doesn't mean I don't have the same concerns about him today I had two months ago. Seeing the campaign unfold, I actually have more concerns about him now - namely, is he independent enough to shirk the special interests that will no doubt knock on his mayor's office door.

    My point is that by attacking the other Dem for political advantage (which actually looked like naively following the GOP lead), Alvarez put himself in the position of now having to make peace with a large contingent of Dems before he moves forward. That "making peace" doesn't come by way of demanding Dem support just because the Dems say so.

    We're a town with 243 new GOP voters, 2400 new Dems, and 5000 new independents for a reason: after the partisanship we've endured for decades, we're growing tired of the establishment types and their special interests running this city behind closed doors.

    So, no - Dems aren't just going to vote party lines. My vote is up in the air at this point (unfortunately, I can't write-in Todd Gloria). May the best man with the best vision win.

    Now that both Faulconer and Alvarez are done with campaigning against Fletcher, the citizens will finally get a better understanding of what their actual platforms are.

    •  OK, fair enough. (1+ / 0-)
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      I'm a partisan dem, which is one reason I'm at Daily Kos. I understand that many voters are not so partisan and they have to be convinced in different ways. The tactics of the runoff will clearly need to be different.

      Gondwana has always been at war with Laurasia.

      by AaronInSanDiego on Sun Nov 24, 2013 at 02:23:17 PM PST

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      •  Well... (0+ / 0-)

        The Labor Council likely won't be leaking any docs to the GOP this time around, so maybe you're right - the tactics will be different -_-

        I expected better of Dems. I was wrong.

        •  I hadn't read about those allegations (1+ / 0-)
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          before you brought them up here, so I can't speak to that.

          Gondwana has always been at war with Laurasia.

          by AaronInSanDiego on Sun Nov 24, 2013 at 02:50:24 PM PST

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          •  It happened in August... (0+ / 0-)

            ...and was covered by local media. Someone on the LC leaked Fletcher's questionnaire to Tony Krvaric who posted it on the local GOP/Libertarian blog.

            This was around the same time someone (they think GOP) mysteriously got ahold of the updated list of Dem Central Committee member info and mailed attack packets against Fletcher just ahead of the Central Committee vote to endorse.

            See why it's so hard to just toe-the-line? Both establishment candidates are the product of shady establishment tactics. Really hard to be excited for the future of San Diego when it's clouded by the same old party shenanigans.

            •  I wasn't following the campaign yet at that point. (1+ / 0-)
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              But election tactics are not my primary concern. I am not entirely opposed to negative tactics if they get results.

              Gondwana has always been at war with Laurasia.

              by AaronInSanDiego on Sun Nov 24, 2013 at 03:12:50 PM PST

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              •  This may be where we differ... (0+ / 0-)

                I don't mind attacks on actual records, but I do mind personal attacks. Calling someone a sociopath that lacks a sense of identity is not OK with me.

                I do pay attention to the sausage making, because I think it reveals the most about integrity. I can't, in good conscience, rail against the under-handed tactics of the right if I don't call my side of the aisle out when they do the same thing.

                There's a reason less than 40% of the voting-age populace actually votes. The parties will do anything to win. I'm tired of it. If you have to win by going negative, you shouldn't win at all.

                •  I'd rather people not engage in personal attacks (1+ / 0-)
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                  but it's not a dealbreaker for me. Politics corrupts people, and attracts corrupt people, but it is necessary in the system we have. Not voting won't change the system, in my view, it will just make things worse.

                  Gondwana has always been at war with Laurasia.

                  by AaronInSanDiego on Sun Nov 24, 2013 at 03:35:58 PM PST

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                  •  I don't know about that... (0+ / 0-)

                    For the second time in a year, I am faced with an election I am less-than excited to be voting in.

                    Unfortunately, telling voters "not voting won't make it better," doesn't resonate like it used to. Believe me - I used to say the same thing.

                    Now, I'm faced with the second election in a year's time that is more about maintaining the relevance of the old guard of the parties (no matter which fresh face is in front, it's the same old players are in the back), than it is about the very complex community of voters in San Diego.

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