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    •  It reminds me of the average rainfall in L.A. (31+ / 0-)

      which is about 15 inches. Average.  

      However, some years there are only 5 or 8, and sometimes it has rained 25 or 30 inches.

      Why does this moron think a one-hour sample is to be extrapolated to 2080 hours over a year?  Does he know if panhandlers take in more, or less, on weekends?  How about those who put in extra hours, or simply stop when they reach poverty level?  Maybe he has WAY underestimated or overestimated with his $23,000 annual take.  But he doesn't really know, he's showboating, and did this for one f-ing hour, and thinks that applies universally and into the future.

      Idiot.

      I'm part of the "bedwetting bunch of website Democrat base people (DKos)." - Rush Limbaugh, 10/16/2012 Torture is Wrong! We live near W so you don't have to. Send love.

      by tom 47 on Thu Nov 21, 2013 at 02:48:35 PM PST

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      •  I would like to invite him to come to LA, and (26+ / 0-)

        allow me to show him the hundreds of people -- including women with small children -- that I see living on the streets everyday, people so hungry that they are obviously malnourished, people who are extremely grateful for anything they are given.

        If he really wants to know what it's like to be homeless, then I suggest he try spending a week eating nothing but the scraps he finds in a garbage can...I see that happening all the time...

        A lot of people on this site constantly condemn me for being a hard-ass about Obama's policies, but they don't see the things I see...or they would be furious about the incredible income inequality that has boomed under this president's leadership.

        •  i would have rec'd this (actually did, then (24+ / 0-)

          removed) except for the last paragraph.

          IF you try to place the burden of this problem on the president instead of the republican house, the recession, etc., and continue to blame the president, i cannot in good conscience rec the post.

          this is a problem that surpasses the executive office.  in our nation, we do not have a dictator or emporer who can, with a magic wand, fix the vast problems caused by the house of representatives, wall street, the 1%.

          if you truly think that one individual CAN do that, then i suggest you study a bit harder how our government actually functions (along with the world economy).

          EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

          by edrie on Thu Nov 21, 2013 at 03:25:07 PM PST

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          •  Obama, "People call me a socialist sometimes" (8+ / 0-)
            "People call me a socialist sometimes," Obama said at the Wall Street Journal CEO Summit, addressing 100 top business leaders. "But, no, you gotta meet real socialists. You’ll have a sense of what a socialist is," he said to laughter from the crowd.
            while listing his capitalist bona fides.......
            I'm talking about lowering the corporate tax rate, my health care reform is based on the private marketplace, stock market's looking pretty good last time I checked," he said, listing his capitalist bona fides.

            It is good that he is concerned about the growing inequality in our "system", because we need to know that those we elect to serve are aware first of the problem, to openly talk about it,  and then hopefully govern in ways that help to correct it.

            Talking about lowering the corporate tax rate, as if that is something to brag about at a time of such horrific income inequality is not comforting.

            "And, you know, it is true I'm concerned about growing inequality in our system, but nobody questions the efficacy of market economies in terms of producing wealth and innovation and keeping us competitive."

            For our fallen solders who come home from Afghanistan in a coffin to Dover, "God bless the cause for which they died."

            by allenjo on Thu Nov 21, 2013 at 03:39:47 PM PST

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          •  edrie, I can respect your opinion, just as I hope (13+ / 0-)

            you will respect mine, but this is about something much larger than our differences. Two weeks ago, I saw one of the most heartbreaking sights I've ever seen in Hollywood. A young woman was pushing a child in a stroller. On her back, she was carrying two large garbage bags filled with their belongings. Three more were attached to the stroller. The look of hopelessness and desperation on her face still haunts me.

            The president had ample opportunity to act in the best interests of the poor...but he didn't...but take a look at what he did for Wall Street....I see the results of his failed policies here, also...many low income apartment dwellings have been purchased by the wealthy who are experiencing a boom like they could have never imagined. They are spending exhorbitant amounts of money buying up every piece of land, every piece of property they can find...and then they are building apartments and shopping centers...for the affluent.

            Even though we are on different sides of the issue when it comes to Obama's policies, I have seen enough of your writing to know that you care about people in need...I can respect you for that. I hope you will respect my dedication to advocating for the poor.

            •  hopelessness and desperation (9+ / 0-)

              A few years a local newspaper here did a story about around 100 people or so, families including children, living in the woods behind a Publix supermarket.

              Can you imagine the hopelessness and desperation of living with your children in the woods?

              Here in America?

              For our fallen solders who come home from Afghanistan in a coffin to Dover, "God bless the cause for which they died."

              by allenjo on Thu Nov 21, 2013 at 05:23:41 PM PST

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              •  Obama spent trillions of dollars of taxpayer's (8+ / 0-)

                money to help the criminals who caused this mess...the bailout started with Bush, but it had Obama's blessing from the get-go...you can't blame that on the republicans alone...the head of the Democratic Party made salvation of the corporate criminals his main priority...not the best interests of the people of this nation.

                Now, we're reaping the results of those policies, and it isn't pretty...in fact, it's embarrassing for many of us who have held on to our traditional Democratic values.

                What has made these policies work is his insistance on making those people at the bottom of the ladder, and the members of the middle classs, people who had no hand in destroying the global economy, bear the brunt of those crimes...no prosecution for some of the biggest criminals in our nation's history, but lots of hurt and suffering for the victims...lots and lots of hopelessness and desperation.

                I was surprised by Kos's anger over the deportation of his friend's husband/boyfriend (I'm not sure)...not because it wasn't wrong, it was absolutely wrong...but because he stood behind this president while he was causing so much suffering...now, when those wrong policies have become personal, he suddenly sees the light...

                There is so much hopelessness and desperation in this country, you could make a fortune off it if you could find a way to sell it...

                •  President Obama is exhibit A (7+ / 0-)

                  geomoo's comment this week, that I agree with and pretty much the opinion of all the people I know, family, friends, neighbors, who voted for him.
                   

                  Finally, to my way of thinking, President Obama is exhibit A of government not being responsive to the millions of people who got him elected and instead responding to the millions of dollars that got him elected.  

                   So in context, I would say this government right now is terrifyingly unresponsive, both to the people and to the problems that are crying out to be addressed.

                  For our fallen solders who come home from Afghanistan in a coffin to Dover, "God bless the cause for which they died."

                  by allenjo on Thu Nov 21, 2013 at 06:04:59 PM PST

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                •  you DO understand that if the banks had failed, (0+ / 0-)

                  the world economy would have also been shaken with disastrous consequences?

                  and IF the banks had been allowed to fail, this country would have been damaged in a way that affected the poorest, the oldest and the most vulnerable the most?

                  leadership is making hard choices, unpopular choices.  appeasing those who could afford the collapse of the banks is NOT the same as trying to keep the largest number of people from being harmed.

                  suffering?  yes.  would it have been much worse and lasted much longer had the banks been allowed to crash the nation and global economy?  

                  the answer to that is also a resounding yes.

                  EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

                  by edrie on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 11:46:51 AM PST

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            •  You simply must turn this into a diary proper. LA (3+ / 0-)
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              is positively Dickensian (in the worst sense), as I swear to God you will have homeless people clearly suffering walking past storefront glass-plated restaurants (like Chinois on Santa Monica's Main Street) where a bill for 2 is easily $100.

              Obama committed the cardinal sin in my book: he comforted the already comfortable and afflicted further the already afflicted. As a result, I did not vote for his re-election in 2012, nor do I support him much any longer or even listen much to any of the babble that utters from his lips.

              Hope that's not too heterodox for Kos. If it is, I'll take my lumps.

              •  It was actually, spot on. Thanks for the (0+ / 0-)

                suggestion. I have taken many photos of people digging through trash cans, people asleep on the street, people begging for money, etc...I considered writing a diary, but there are so many people on this site who hate me for hammering Obama for his misdeeds that it just isn't worth the effort...I'm sure a lot of other writers have left for the same reason.

              •  you are on the wrong site, it would appear. (0+ / 0-)

                and if you think the homeless problem is bad now, HAD the economy collapsed, it would have been a thousand fold worse.

                idealism is for those who can afford it... not for those who can't.

                EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

                by edrie on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 11:48:25 AM PST

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            •  i understand your reaction to what you saw - (2+ / 0-)
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              MY point is that this is a national problem, not an executive office one.  without the cooperation of congress, especially the house, NOTHING is going to change!

              the house of representatives has spent it's entire session trying to repeal the aca without putting forward even a single attempt at creating jobs, increasing the government spending to create them - instead, the nutcases in the house have worked to undermine and destroy this economy - the sequestration being a prime example.

              the stated goal - openly and blatantly - of these racist whackos in congress is to destroy the president - why?  because he is black and they don't think he has a right to BE in the white house.

              when you and many others fall into their trap and start pointing fingers at the president, they have succeeded in diverting attention from where the REAL problem lies:  with them.

              the president cannot write laws.  he cannot force the congress to do so - he CAN lead IF he had a sane congress instead of the nutcases in there right now.

              to place blame on him (or ANY president being so obstructed in every single move he tries to make) by congress and a complicit corporate media is just wrong-headed.  in doing so, you are allowing the real culprits to succeed AND get away with destroying the middle class and the poor and the elderly.

              it isn't obama who is the problem - it is the tea party and the boehners, cantors, ryans, mcconnells who are the problem along with apathetic voters or non-voters or those who demand extreme compliance to their specific pet project.

              until we accurately identify where the problem lies, we can never fix it.

              trust me, obama is NOT the problem in this nation!  

              EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

              by edrie on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 11:44:26 AM PST

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          •  I just don't get it (6+ / 0-)
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            I grew up in poverty. I know how long income inequality has been around. And yet we got people here acting like it's all Obama's fault. Somehow, in four years, Obama caused the largest income gap since before the Great Depression. Not decades of deliberate legislation. Not Bush's tax cuts for the 1%. Not Clinton cutting away at social welfare. Not Bush, Sr. doing the same. Not Reagan, may he burn in hell. Not Carter, who also cut away at social welfare programs.

            And I could keep going all the way back to Nixon. Not to mention just about every single state has taken an axe to their own state-run social programs even worse than the federal government has.

            But apparently, nope. The income gap is all on Obama.

            Time is of no account with great thoughts, which are as fresh to-day as when they first passed through their authors' minds ages ago. - Samuel Smiles

            by moviemeister76 on Thu Nov 21, 2013 at 08:55:31 PM PST

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            •  thank you - sometimes i wonder at the purist (0+ / 0-)

              attitude that everything is obama's fault.  it isn't that black and white - or... is it.

              the collapse of the middle class started with ronald reagan - and has escalated exponentially since then - yet, some here with open admissions that they didn't vote for him and don't support him choose to naively state that it is all HIS fault.

              i see this as the remnants of the green/nader/far left movement that keep trying to take over this site.

              i really hope there is much closer scrutiny done by admin to see how dangerous and damaging these type of diatribes are to the 2014 elections.

              it is almost as if those who are most vocal WANT the nation to collapse so some type of fantasized utopia will arise from the ashes.

              this is why i've written so little over the last year - the doomsday all is obama's fault crowd have caused me to go silent rather than say what i really want to state.  my patience has worn thin and i'm not willing to waste the energy on lost causes when all of us will need ALL our strength for the 2014 elections.

              IF, in those elections, we do NOT keep the senate and take back the house with DEMOCRATS, we are totally screwed in this nation.  i'm not willing to stand silently by and let that happen - but talking to those who don't listen isn't where i want to do my talkng!

              ugh!

              EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

              by edrie on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 11:53:56 AM PST

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          •  It's OK. I recc'ed it to make up for your namby- (2+ / 0-)
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            pamby ambivalence. When 1 in 5 American children experiences hunger at least once per month, I expect at a minimum my President to place that issue at the very top of the nation's agenda.

            If you can show me where Obama has done that, I'll gladly remove my rec.

        •  "inequality...has boomed under this president..." (7+ / 0-)

          not to mention global warming! and drug-resistant bacteria! and shitty reality tv! and this dull ache behind my left eye! damn you obama!

          i've lived under presidents, republican and democratic, since eisenhower's first term - guess which ones were more likely to give two shits about the poor? about black folks? about indians? about chicanos? did you vote for romney or just not vote?

          i would use the term nitwit, but it's insulting to nits

          Sarah Palin is a disgusting racist pig.

          by memofromturner on Thu Nov 21, 2013 at 04:08:54 PM PST

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          •  There's no need to insult anyone or (10+ / 0-)

            anything. We all know Obama's better than Romney would have been. That doesn't mean he's good enough.

            •  do YOU believe that income inequality has boomed (4+ / 0-)
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              as a result of the obama presidency? i sure as fuck don't...

              btw, but there's no such thing as "good enough" - i dare you to name a president who was "good enough"

              Sarah Palin is a disgusting racist pig.

              by memofromturner on Thu Nov 21, 2013 at 05:10:52 PM PST

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              •  It has boomed but (4+ / 0-)

                so has the obstruction and bullshit coming from Congress. 47 votes to get rid of the ACA. The reason that Harry did what he did today. All of the Cruz's and Lee's and Paul's that have been elected.

                It is ridiculous to blame the President for this. He isn't perfect but what on earth can he really do without legislative power? What ever he does do is undone as fast as it can or called tyranny.

                Our country is broken and the President didn't break it.

                And daddy won't you take me back to Muhlenberg County Down by the Green River where Paradise lay. Well, I'm sorry my son, but you're too late in asking Mister Peabody's coal train has hauled it away. John Prine

                by high uintas on Thu Nov 21, 2013 at 05:30:15 PM PST

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                •  Two full years of legislative power went toward (7+ / 0-)

                  bailing out banks with trillions of dollars of US taxpayer money -- shifting money from the middle class to the rich.

                  Two full years of legislative power went unused to help the poorest and desperate. The mortgage bailout scheme was thwarted by Obama's own appointees, not the least of which was Timmy Geithner.  Obama has favored the Wall Street/Oval Office revolving door, appointing Jack Lew to Chief of Staff.  

                  Jack went back to Citibank, collected his million dollar bonus, and was reappointed back into the federal government by President Barack Obama to replace mortgage relief blocker Timmy Geithner as Treasury Secretary.

                  Over and over, Obama has demonstrated his loyalty to Wall Street.

                  Yes, maybe he would have done more if not for his constant negotiating with himself trying to get one single Republican vote for anything whatsoever, but wouldn't it have been better for him -- and especially the whole country -- if he would have just gone full-bore the first two years to help the littlest, poorest, most economically suffering, hungriest people of the nation, damn the Republican outreach?

                  Well, please don't blame people for seeing those missed opportunities in the name of "conciliatory governance" bullshit. And that was all 100% Barack Obama.

                  Yes, he's not as bad as Romney. No, that's not really good enough. People have a right to believe in their ideals, principles and goals.  Barack Obama doesn't have nearly the focus on the poor as he has on Wall Street. There's just no way around that.

                  "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

                  by YucatanMan on Thu Nov 21, 2013 at 06:26:51 PM PST

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                  •  P.S. This isn't really directed at you, but just (6+ / 0-)

                    at the utter frustration of seeing how people suffer and suffer and suffer in the "richest nation on earth" while Wall Street is rolling in fat bonuses and cash up to their ears, laughing at all the rest of the nation as their politicians roll-up any demonstrations with police and fire hoses.

                    Things are just going great, not.

                    Nothing personal H.U.  (Sorry. I'm just very frustrated)

                    "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

                    by YucatanMan on Thu Nov 21, 2013 at 06:29:13 PM PST

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                    •  What is scary is that there are a lot of (6+ / 0-)

                      Democrats who aren't very frustrated...they think everything is going just swell under Obama...

                      But there are millions and millions of us who know better because of the way his policies have affected our own personal lives.

                      Digby wrote this today. It was meant to be about the two party system, but I think it might also apply to the Democratic Party:

                      If we really are at a point in history where each side is unified in confirming its own president's choices, and each side believes that confirming justices picked the other side's President will lead to a hellish dystopian nightmare, then perhaps it would be best for everyone not to share the same democracy and to each go our separate ways.
                      Instead of "is unified in confirming its own president's choices, and each side believes that confirming justices picked the other side's President," substitute, "has a different value system," so that it reads:

                      If we really are at a point in history where each side has a different value system, then perhaps it would be best for everyone not to share the same democracy and to each go our separate ways.

                      It might predict the future of the Democratic Party, because I don't think many progressives can go on supporting the policies that are being rammed down our throats by this administration.

                      I do know that there is a movement afoot among many former Democrats to start working outside the current two party system.

                    •  I appreciate (2+ / 0-)
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                      not only your point but also your tone here. Yes, the first two years did involve attempts to stabilize Wall St. and the financial institutions that blew our country up then threatened to take it down with them. I did not then support the bail outs and still don't.

                      But, Pres. Obama did more than that in those two years. He passed the ACA, the Recovery and Reinvestment Act, helped out the auto industry, we got Dodd Frank (not enough but still...) we got credit card reform and Lilly Ledbetter, he gave us Elena Kagen and Sonia Sotomayor, he tripled the size of Americorps, Fair Sentencing and the Hate Crimes Act, and there is more.

                      Remember Norm Coleman and the clusterfuck that was Ben Nelson, Lieberman and Blanche Lincoln? You only have a mandate if others agree that you do. He faced a legislative headwind from the beginning.

                      It's easy to remember his fuck ups but less so his accomplishments. His fuck ups are big and I agree that he is too cozy with the financial powers that be, but I don't believe he is owned by them. I believe that he knows that they have the ability to trim his sails completely and so feels he must play the game. Whether that is true or not is up for debate.

                      But, you and praenomen are absolutely right on the fact that he needs to address income inequality and poverty and lack of opportunity in a more direct way. It's nice that he is thinking about putting into place policies that will help in the future but we need help right fucking now. It's past time. He needs to get on it as much as he can.

                      Then there's the Senate and the House and I get depressed all over again.

                      And daddy won't you take me back to Muhlenberg County Down by the Green River where Paradise lay. Well, I'm sorry my son, but you're too late in asking Mister Peabody's coal train has hauled it away. John Prine

                      by high uintas on Thu Nov 21, 2013 at 08:41:29 PM PST

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                      •  Last sentence: I know that feeling well. (4+ / 0-)

                        Without going into a long personal story, Ive recently been a bit under the weather and at the same time had a lot of contact with people living very much on the edge. The income disparity in this nation is downright criminal.

                        Today, I was reading about the previous mayor of Dallas putting his "old" house up for sale. 10,000 sq ft, $5 million. Before mayor, he was a corporate CEO and filthy rich.  (duh)  After mayor, he ran for the Senate seat Ted (married to Goldman Sachs employee) Cruz won, and ran as a tea bagging ass (also).

                        In his place, Dallas got another corporate CEO, nominally a "Democrat," but so DINO he barely qualifies (if you ask me).

                        My point is that the system is hugely rigged for the rich... all the way through. At every level of government, the filthy rich are slanting things there way.

                        And it is very frustrating. I had hoped that Obama's youth experiences would have given him more sympathy and identification with the poor. As it is, I'm tragically reminded that both JFK and RFK had their focus on the poor much more than Obama.  And they were rich kids.

                        Times have changed. For the worse.

                        "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

                        by YucatanMan on Thu Nov 21, 2013 at 09:35:12 PM PST

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                        •  Agreed. (3+ / 0-)
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                          RFK especially was devoted to not only civil rights but the plight of those in poverty. I remember him shining a light on the the people in Appalachia and how moved he was when he saw how hard they worked and how little they had.

                          It was such a different time, not only in the political world but in the whole of our culture. We were opening up to so many things that were in plain sight and now we have people who are actively putting blinders on us daily.

                          The other day mr.u and I were talking about marching against the Vietnam war and against corporations back in the late 60s early 70s. Even the word "corporation" was a slur. We had no idea how right we were.

                          Before we knew it those corporations had co opted the hippie culture for marketing purposes and we were toast. If I'd known then what I know now I think I would have immigrated to some nice little third world country and stayed there.

                          And daddy won't you take me back to Muhlenberg County Down by the Green River where Paradise lay. Well, I'm sorry my son, but you're too late in asking Mister Peabody's coal train has hauled it away. John Prine

                          by high uintas on Thu Nov 21, 2013 at 10:01:40 PM PST

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                      •  And there was HAMP, which was an (4+ / 0-)

                        unmitigated disaster. It did more harm than good, and most of the funds that had been designated for underwater homeowners never went to anyone who needed it. The problem with nearly all of Obama's programs is that they don't work for the people who need them the most, and I blame him for that because he could have made a lot better choices when he selected the people to implement them (Dodd Frank).

                        Which brings up another very important issue that absolutely none of his supporters will acknowledge, and that is that he has completely shut out progressives from having any influence on his decisions. That was one of the most cynical moves any politician has ever made in my lifetime. He has placed more value on the advice of some of our most hated enemies than he has on our input. He has sided with big business over unions. You mentioned the bailout of the auto industry...once again, money and help for big corporations, but no help for people on social security.

                        When I read comments like this:

                        I grew up in poverty. I know how long income inequality has been around. And yet we got people here acting like it's all Obama's fault. Somehow, in four years, Obama caused the largest income gap since before the Great Depression. Not decades of deliberate legislation. Not Bush's tax cuts for the 1%. Not Clinton cutting away at social welfare. Not Bush, Sr. doing the same. Not Reagan, may he burn in hell. Not Carter, who also cut away at social welfare programs.
                        I get so discouraged that I want to give up on the Democratic Party all together. The stupid sometimes is just too hard to take.

                        All it takes to see the truth is to look at the charts of the rate of income inequality and how it has mushroomed under Obama...that's it! It is that easy, but don't expect that kind of critical thinking from Obama's followers. They are absolutely unable to think for themselves. And I really don't want people who have no mind of their own to determine the policies that will determine the future of my children and grandchildren.

                        The Democratic Party is really at a critical fork in the road...and I don't think it's going to turn out well. Hillary will be nominated for president, and then many of us will give up and leave the party.

                        So many people here are not even looking at the percentages of Dems vs. Reps vs. Inds...if they did, they would see that many people absolutely hate both major parties...they desperately want a new direction, and I can promise you that won't happen under Hillary...so, those of us who are trying to pull the party back to its roots, have no recourse but to look to a new direction...and don't expect the Democratic leaders to understand how disasterous that would be for the party.

                        •  I agree (2+ / 0-)
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                          that he has done too little for those on SS and people who are at the bottom of the pile but I absolutely can't blame the income inequality on the President alone when every program that he has proposed that would help has been shot down since Congress changed hands in 2010.

                          A House that has done absolutely nothing since the Republicans took over do not get off the hook that easily.

                          And daddy won't you take me back to Muhlenberg County Down by the Green River where Paradise lay. Well, I'm sorry my son, but you're too late in asking Mister Peabody's coal train has hauled it away. John Prine

                          by high uintas on Thu Nov 21, 2013 at 10:13:57 PM PST

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                          •  But he could have changed that by taking (4+ / 0-)

                            a much different direction...no one forced him to place so many Wall Street insiders in control of policy development...how can you implement Democratic programs with republican, Wall Street insiders making the decisions?

                            It can't be done. And it didn't happen. What we ended up with was one of the greatest transfers of wealth in our nation's history.

                            So, yes, he is ultimately responsible for what has happened.

                            Otherwise, his presidency has been so anemic he might as well have just stayed in Chicago. But he wasn't powerless. That was just one of the many ploys he has used to distract from his corporate giveaways. TPP will just be another major giveaway to corporations under the guise of...whatever his followers will buy (hint: they will swallow anything he implements, no matter how destructive it is to this country).

                            And don't kid yourself. Obama has known every step of the way what he was doing, who he was doing it for, and what it was costing the American people.

                          •  He wouldn't have been chosen as candidate (3+ / 0-)
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                            if he were a bleeding heart liberal like many of us wish for.
                            TPTB must have approved him, he must have agreed to protect them, or he wouldn't have gotten a foot in the door.

                          •  That is how I see it (2+ / 0-)
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                            Just ask yourself when the last true progressive was elected, or even made it thru the primaries. And, btw McCarthy was not a progressive. It is the way things are.

                            And daddy won't you take me back to Muhlenberg County Down by the Green River where Paradise lay. Well, I'm sorry my son, but you're too late in asking Mister Peabody's coal train has hauled it away. John Prine

                            by high uintas on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 10:13:27 AM PST

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                          •  Thing is - this is the way I see it - the House (0+ / 0-)

                            might not have changed hands in 2010 if Obama had roared ahead with help for the working people of the nation.

                            In 2008, an amazing coalition of people came together to get him elected.  The Democratic party lost a lot of those people in 2010. They didn't turn out to vote. Why?  A lot of people think it is because he failed to follow through with his campaign rhetoric while governing.

                            Rather than "Change" we got a whole lot more of the same. The same George W Bush programs, appointees, and priorities.

                            And under the Obama allies running the DNC, there was no firm push-back or counter-strategy to the Tea Party. The Democratic Party just sat back and let the teabaggers define the 2010 election.

                            That's why I cannot excuse Obama. He failed to act on his commitments and campaign promises too often, he appointed third way and centrists rather than moving toward real Change, and under his leadership, the Democratic Party sat back and watched the teabaggers roll over the nation.  

                            And those reasons are why there is no progress today. If Obama had really been dedicated to Change and had been a fighter rather than a process-obsessed negotiator, 2010 might have been a lot different.

                            Now, five full years after Obama's election, Democrats are showing signs of fighting back against Republican obstruction. Finally. But they need to fight a lot more and a lot harder.

                            "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

                            by YucatanMan on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 02:33:04 PM PST

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      •  tipped for your last sentence (4+ / 0-)

        really hits the mark

        "We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them." - Albert Einstein

        by pickandshovel on Thu Nov 21, 2013 at 04:32:38 PM PST

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        •  I've always loved the quote in your sig line. (8+ / 0-)

          Digby has an article today about a new book by Charlotte Hayes called When Did White Trash Become the New Normal? A Southern Lady Asks the Impertinent Question.

          Compare this quote from the book to this diary:

          “We look like hell as a nation, and fat people bear a large brunt of responsibility for this,” she writes. “I can remember when going to New York meant seeing beautiful, pencil-thin people in stylish clothes on Fifth Avenue. Where are they now? The other day I saw a fat guy in polyester in my favorite New York restaurant.”
          People like that are so offensive on so many levels, but they have been emboldened by the wealth that has been generated for the top 1% under this administration...

          ...but what is happening at the bottom rung of the ladder is one of this nation's biggest disgrace...and even worse, it is being enabled by many Democrats.

        •  Be thankful for Obama (0+ / 0-)

          Imagine where we would be if the Republicans had won!
          FAR more money and tax breaks to giant corporations.
          Continued dominance of health care by giant corporations.
          No regulation on the big banks.
          New wars (rather than winding down the Bush wars).
          Think of your own list.

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