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  •  the quotes don't have to be made up (3+ / 0-)
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    It seems to me that he probably explained pretty reasonably why he thought it was bizarre for the Bible to be labeled as fiction, and why some people got upset about it. That doesn't mean that he was teeing off on Costco. It looks like the Fox reporter picked out the reddest meat he could find, then spiced it up with some innuendo and some outright nonsense (or egregious garble -- was Steven Smith saying that bookstores don't allow the Bible in their "religion and spirituality" sections?).

    Just judging from Kaltenbach's Facebook comments, he is focusing on making amends to Costco, rather than complaining about Fox or other news outlets. That may well reflect some reluctance to tangle with Fox News fans in his congregation, but it also seems like a decent choice of priorities -- and I really don't feel like getting mad at a preacher for congratulating Costco on paying their employees decent wages.

    "I am not sure how we got here, but then, I am not really sure where we are." -Susan from 29

    by HudsonValleyMark on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 08:46:18 AM PST

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    •  If he's making amends, fine. (0+ / 0-)

      Full support. Contrition should be welcomed and accepted.

      What I don't like, however, is whitewashing what he actually did. And it seems this diary is doing more of that and less of praising Kaltenbach for trying to undo damage he caused.

      "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

      by raptavio on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 08:54:24 AM PST

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      •  Look... (2+ / 0-)
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        I'm not whitewashing what he did. The fact is, I asked him point blank if made the Qur'an statement, and he said, "No. I didn't say anything like that. I never mentioned the Qur'an. I don't know where that's coming from." So I'm not whitewashing. I relaying his denial, direct from him, to me, to you, that he said that. Accept it or not. He's not interested in convincing you. He answered because I asked. Go ask him. Maybe he'll humor you with an answer.

        I watched the Fox video. While I wouldn't have said half of what he said, what he said was not accusatory, and it presented all sides without his own personal adjudication. It was decidedly non-sensationalist.

        Nevertheless, its effects went way beyond what he expected they would, and for that, he has taken responsibility and apologized. And he has said positive things about Costco to boot.

        If that's not enough for you, that's not Caleb's problem, and no longer is it mine.

        I understand you want to be convinced he's genuine. I guess you'll just have to die unsatisfied. Hopefully not for a long, long time.

      •  trouble is, we're not sure what he actually did (1+ / 0-)
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        I know that he posted a picture and then gave some interviews. The quotations actually are pretty banal ("we need to be vocal about our concerns"?). It's easy to say that he should have known how things would go when he talked with Fox News, but pastors aren't used to focusing on how their words could be wrenched out of context. I've had some pretty interesting things happen to my own words; I have no trouble believing that something similar happened to him.

        "I am not sure how we got here, but then, I am not really sure where we are." -Susan from 29

        by HudsonValleyMark on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 10:29:30 AM PST

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