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  •  I think you are (7+ / 0-)

    overreacting.  No one is thinking of you as an enemy.  Perhaps the writer merely felt your income was in a much better place than one who was supporting a family on $58,000 a year.

    We are all in this together.  You are far, far, from being in the Koch Brothers family.  You going on about what "liberals" think of you is skewed; I don't know why you think that.  

    In this particular discussion your income is higher then what the  Bureau of Labor Statistics states as being the average income.  As of April of 2013, the Bureau stated  the nation's average annual pay of $45,790.  Is $45,790 lousy?  Certainly.  It stinks.

    Of course, there are professions where the yearly income is much higher, and, sadly, there are millions whose yearly income is lower.

    •  Perhaps I overreacted. But I'm just not (4+ / 0-)

      fond of rhetoric about not having sympathy.  It does have an undercurrent to it that suggests political enemies, etc.  We need to be about good policy.  Leave the nonsense about us against them to the Tea Party.

      •  I don't think you overreacted at all because (5+ / 0-)

        your first statement was my first thought on reading that line. Yes, a family of four making $92k is better off than one making half that. And while I don't think subsidies should be available to those with higher incomes, the lack of sympathy line just reeks of resentment and division.

        •  We're talking about ACA, right? (0+ / 0-)

          You seem to be talking about a family with 2 wage earners NEITHER of whom get insurance from their employer?

          I have more sympathy for unemployed people with no income at all but who still have savings great enough that they don't qualify for Medicaid (expanded or not.)

          Trolling about "resentment and division" is a First World occupation.

          "Our problem is not that the glass is half empty or half full, but that the 1% claims that it is their glass." ---Stolen from a post on Daily Kos

          by jestbill on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 06:59:43 PM PST

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          •  There's plenty of suffering and no need for lack (0+ / 0-)

            of sympathy. I think of wealthy people who have lost loved ones, dealt with addictions, lost a child. They are still human. We all are. The good thing about being Democrats is we don't come to policy with division and resentment. We think of how to best do things in ways that help everyone best. College tuition should be cheap for everyone, for example.

            The R's are masters of division, resentment, ugliness. They have succeeded in depriving folks of living wages and benefits with a spiral downward of resentment of those around you who have something better than you, just around you, and a fanciful admiration of those have it all.

            We're better than that, and it starts with our hearts being open to all, and not closed to those with sincerety.
            who aren't so dumb that they won't check out the ACA if they're plan was cancelled. The new socialist exchange is over there, pointing to it, look for the giltchy website with the socialist neon sign. It's true that each case is different, and those who just missed the subsidies might need them as much as those just below them. If that's true, maybe the subsidies should be expanded to a higher income level. We're going to tweak this thing to make it work, and should keep our eyes and ears open to constructive criticisms.

            •  Yeah, it's called the 'human condition.' (0+ / 0-)

              Troll.

              A family making 9k would consider "comfortable" to be about 19k.
              Give me an extra 70k extra to burn and then commiserate with me about how tough it is to get by.

              You didn't address the Medicaid problem.  How about those people hanging on, living on their savings who would have to blow some of it in Vegas to qualify?

              Oh, for an extra 70k!

              "Our problem is not that the glass is half empty or half full, but that the 1% claims that it is their glass." ---Stolen from a post on Daily Kos

              by jestbill on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 03:02:43 PM PST

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              •  Yeah, I feel similarly, I am low income, but (0+ / 0-)

                someone I worked with once pointed out the difficulties of having 3 kids, 2 incomes, up in the mid hundred thousands, way better off but they feel squeezed by mortgage, cars, college for the kids etc. Not everyone at each income level is living like a hog. Harder though for me to feel sympathy the higher it gets. Supposedly, in today's America, that $75,000 is the essential # where people above it don't feel greater happiness with greater wealth. This has to do with security for self and family, when attained, life feels good, up above that the $ isn't doing anything for happiness. Of course, $ creates access.

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