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  •  Oh now, they are worried. (30+ / 0-)

    The pundits were screaming about this even before the deed was done.

    I just don't understand how they manage to put their underwear on in the morning.

    This better be good. Because it is not going away.

    by DerAmi on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 07:06:42 AM PST

    •  In a sense, everyone is a (3+ / 0-)
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      "conservative" , that is they are at least slightly resistant to change.    It's a miracle of DKos that we are able to control that tic when it needs to be tamped down and see that much change is good- like yesterday.

      From Neocon to sane- thanks to Obama- and Kos.

      by satrap on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 07:21:33 AM PST

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      •  Moderate Dems are conservative. The gop (6+ / 0-)

        are radical regressives. They're not conservative, they want to destroy anything, even Republican ideas, that stand in the way of bring back the 1950s.
        That's because they're doing the bidding of the old Bircher crowd like Papa Cruz, Koch, etc.

        You can't make this stuff up.

        by David54 on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 08:10:16 AM PST

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        •  Oh, not even the 1950s. (13+ / 0-)

          I've gradually become convinced that they are complete nihilists who want to roll back the Enlightenment. Seriously, see what those who are even aware of him have to say about Rousseau. Their desire is a new era of feudalism.

          "No, no, we are not satisfied, and we will not be satisfied until justice rolls down like waters and righteousness like a mighty stream." --MLK

          by Progressive Witness on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 08:25:56 AM PST

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        •  Bring back the 50's! (1+ / 0-)
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          90% + marginal tax rates!

          Dwight Eisenhower - The last sane republican:

          "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed."


          The Fail will continue until actual torches and pitchforks are set in motion. - Pangolin@kunstler.com

          by No one gets out alive on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 12:08:21 PM PST

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        •  Bringing back the 1950s... (2+ / 0-)
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          wouldn't be such a bad thing, except for the elderly and those of African descent among us.  Back then, corporations and rich individuals paid a fair share of total tax revenues, CEOs were paid roughly ten times the average worker's salary, not hundreds of times, and ordinary people had enough disposable income to generate lots of consumer demand, so the economy roared.

          What the GOP want to do is not that.  What it wants to do is bring back the 1890s, before there were labor unions, progressive taxation, national parks, consumer-protection laws, social security and women's suffrage.  Of course, back then there was no Medicare, and people of color couldn't effectively vote either.

          You're right about the intent, just not the era.

          •  Bringing back the 50's would be (1+ / 0-)
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            a disaster for women and African Americans. Or don't you remember the Jim Crow laws, public lynchings, cross burnings, segregated schools, lunch counters, restrooms, and drinking fountains?
            For women there were back-alley abortions, unreliable birth control,  lack of child care and well paying jobs for those courageous women who wanted a career, and limited access to law schools, medical schools, engineering schools, science scholarships, and college scholarships for women and minorities.
            So you want to return to the 50's, huh? You have to be male to want a return to that crap! I remember it, because I am a woman, and I lived through all of it. How soon we forget, if we weren't directly affected. I fought for Civil Rights, Women's Rights and I am still fighting for those things due to dudes like you with little bitty memories and even smaller brain pans.

          •  I agree with what you said. (3+ / 0-)
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            The last good GOP president was Eisenhower. It Would be bad to go back to segregation. We must not let that happen and we need to end discrimination against Latinos. They are going to be the Majority in a few years.
              Actually I really agree with the GOTP does want to go back to the era of Robber barons, no unions, etc. and are very close to succeeding in that. No more voting for republicans ever!

          •  That's what the John Birch Society conservatives (0+ / 0-)

            wanted to do in the '50's. Go back "before Bolshevism."
            A lot of the "libertarian think tank" goppers think that way.
            However, a lot of the rank and file everyday anti-abortion social conservative types picture the 50's through rose-colored glasses and want to return culturally to that happy time.

            You can't make this stuff up.

            by David54 on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 04:09:58 PM PST

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          •  The 1950s were bad for women, too. (0+ / 0-)

            The 1950s certainly weren't halcyon days.  Not if you were female.  I wouldn't wish them on any young woman today.

            And the economy was actually pretty stale.  Inflation was a  problem.  There was a recession early on after the Korean armistice.  Then there was pretty good surge for a couple of years followed by, in 1957, a really nasty drop.  We actually had the largest deficit in peacetime ever.

            So I don't know where you get the idea that the economy "roared".  Perhaps you were talking about growth in housing. And and financial industries of the sort that have caused so many problems.

            So, IMHO, having lived through them, bringing back the 1950s would be a bad thing.  

            But, having said that, I certainly agree with your comment about the GOP wanting to bring back the 1890s...even though most of them would absolutely hate it.  And that would be even worse.

        •  More like the 20's, minus Prohibition. (0+ / 0-)

          These regressives clearly think that they want to live in a society before the "New Deal." Actually, they only think that they do.  They want social programs when they need them to benefit their families and friends but don't want them for the "undeserving", who include anyone else.

          As their highly revered Ronald Reagan said "there wasn't a race problem before the 1950s." Until something enters their consciousness, it doesn't exist.  Until they see the value in something (how it will benefit them), it has no value, or, more often, is bad.  

          It would be nice for each of us if we could cherry-pick all those things that we value and eliminate the rest, but only children and Republicans seem to think that it is possible to do so.  As for me, I'd eliminate much of the defense budget and subsidies to most industries that receive them; however, I pay my taxes and take the bad with the good.  It is disconcerting, however, that these regressives want to eliminate the good and increase the bad.

      •  Not me. (0+ / 0-)

        I'm only 'resistant to change' when I see it as a bad idea. I do not just do a kneejerk like some liberals and conservatives both do when they hear the world 'change' and it involves their sacred goats.

    •  There are instructions printed inside... (16+ / 0-)

      ...right where you mother used to sew your name tag when you went off to camp.

      Sooner or late the media had to wake up and realize that there is no "partisan gridlock" and that "both parties are at fault".  The Republicans have been bent on destroying American democracy and replacing it with a crypto-dictatorship of business and the rich.  Now at last they have been forced, snarling and spitting, out into the open.

      Still, I expect many stupid future editorials on the false equivalency fallacy.  Once a narrow mind find a groove its happy in, it will keep rolling along in it till doomsday.

      “When it comes to this, I shall prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty—to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.” —Abraham Lincoln

      by Pragmatus on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 07:40:19 AM PST

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    •  What America desperately needs... (18+ / 0-)

      ... is not just an end to the current Republican Party, but to the current punditocracy.

      For far too long our nation has been appallingly misserved by this corps of Village Idiots/Beltway Bozos who worship Ronald Reagan's belly button lint and channel the ghoulish shade of David Broder.  Were it up to me, I'd banish them all to North Dakota to spend the rest of their wretched lives applying their minimal energies and imperceptible talents to covering high school football games.

      David Brooks could anchor the news team.

    •  They have servants that do it for them (5+ / 0-)

      It's good to be a pundit.

      The thing about quotes on the internet is you cannot confirm their validity. ~Abraham Lincoln

      by raboof on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 07:53:15 AM PST

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    •  Just like every other journalist: (2+ / 0-)
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      One ear at a time.

    •  If Laura thinks the NYT sees a backlash (2+ / 0-)
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      into extreme partisan warfare because of Reid's move, she should read the Washington Post.  Those people are apoplectic.

      "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

      by SueDe on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 08:09:38 AM PST

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      •  Did WaPo take a sharp right since Bezos? (2+ / 0-)
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        DerAmi, pengiep

        Granted it was never librul media but still, the editorial the other day saying why should the wealthy have to help old people seemed decidedly more harsh and shrill.

        •  WaPo is a cheerleader for the status quo (0+ / 0-)

          and a true believer in what they consider to be the conventional wisdom of the Serious People.  I don't believe the paper employs one person who knows enough about economics, much less statistics, to make a logical, educated argument.

          "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

          by SueDe on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 04:36:48 PM PST

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    •  Chuck Todd had the chart, so kudos to him (1+ / 0-)
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      on MorningJoke today

      "The poor can never be made to suffer enough." Jimmy Breslin

      by merrywidow on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 08:22:13 AM PST

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    •  They have interns to help them with that. (3+ / 0-)
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      I just don't understand how they manage to put their underwear on in the morning.

      When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

      by PhilJD on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 08:26:36 AM PST

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    •  The Republicans Always Behave Like (0+ / 0-)

      angry 6 year olds whenever a Democrat gets elected to the White House. I'm kinda surprised that the New York Times is even still around, though.

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