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  •  Moderate Dems are conservative. The gop (6+ / 0-)

    are radical regressives. They're not conservative, they want to destroy anything, even Republican ideas, that stand in the way of bring back the 1950s.
    That's because they're doing the bidding of the old Bircher crowd like Papa Cruz, Koch, etc.

    You can't make this stuff up.

    by David54 on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 08:10:16 AM PST

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    •  Oh, not even the 1950s. (13+ / 0-)

      I've gradually become convinced that they are complete nihilists who want to roll back the Enlightenment. Seriously, see what those who are even aware of him have to say about Rousseau. Their desire is a new era of feudalism.

      "No, no, we are not satisfied, and we will not be satisfied until justice rolls down like waters and righteousness like a mighty stream." --MLK

      by Progressive Witness on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 08:25:56 AM PST

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    •  Bring back the 50's! (1+ / 0-)
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      90% + marginal tax rates!

      Dwight Eisenhower - The last sane republican:

      "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed."


      The Fail will continue until actual torches and pitchforks are set in motion. - Pangolin@kunstler.com

      by No one gets out alive on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 12:08:21 PM PST

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    •  Bringing back the 1950s... (2+ / 0-)
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      wouldn't be such a bad thing, except for the elderly and those of African descent among us.  Back then, corporations and rich individuals paid a fair share of total tax revenues, CEOs were paid roughly ten times the average worker's salary, not hundreds of times, and ordinary people had enough disposable income to generate lots of consumer demand, so the economy roared.

      What the GOP want to do is not that.  What it wants to do is bring back the 1890s, before there were labor unions, progressive taxation, national parks, consumer-protection laws, social security and women's suffrage.  Of course, back then there was no Medicare, and people of color couldn't effectively vote either.

      You're right about the intent, just not the era.

      •  Bringing back the 50's would be (1+ / 0-)
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        a disaster for women and African Americans. Or don't you remember the Jim Crow laws, public lynchings, cross burnings, segregated schools, lunch counters, restrooms, and drinking fountains?
        For women there were back-alley abortions, unreliable birth control,  lack of child care and well paying jobs for those courageous women who wanted a career, and limited access to law schools, medical schools, engineering schools, science scholarships, and college scholarships for women and minorities.
        So you want to return to the 50's, huh? You have to be male to want a return to that crap! I remember it, because I am a woman, and I lived through all of it. How soon we forget, if we weren't directly affected. I fought for Civil Rights, Women's Rights and I am still fighting for those things due to dudes like you with little bitty memories and even smaller brain pans.

      •  I agree with what you said. (3+ / 0-)
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        The last good GOP president was Eisenhower. It Would be bad to go back to segregation. We must not let that happen and we need to end discrimination against Latinos. They are going to be the Majority in a few years.
          Actually I really agree with the GOTP does want to go back to the era of Robber barons, no unions, etc. and are very close to succeeding in that. No more voting for republicans ever!

      •  That's what the John Birch Society conservatives (0+ / 0-)

        wanted to do in the '50's. Go back "before Bolshevism."
        A lot of the "libertarian think tank" goppers think that way.
        However, a lot of the rank and file everyday anti-abortion social conservative types picture the 50's through rose-colored glasses and want to return culturally to that happy time.

        You can't make this stuff up.

        by David54 on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 04:09:58 PM PST

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      •  The 1950s were bad for women, too. (0+ / 0-)

        The 1950s certainly weren't halcyon days.  Not if you were female.  I wouldn't wish them on any young woman today.

        And the economy was actually pretty stale.  Inflation was a  problem.  There was a recession early on after the Korean armistice.  Then there was pretty good surge for a couple of years followed by, in 1957, a really nasty drop.  We actually had the largest deficit in peacetime ever.

        So I don't know where you get the idea that the economy "roared".  Perhaps you were talking about growth in housing. And and financial industries of the sort that have caused so many problems.

        So, IMHO, having lived through them, bringing back the 1950s would be a bad thing.  

        But, having said that, I certainly agree with your comment about the GOP wanting to bring back the 1890s...even though most of them would absolutely hate it.  And that would be even worse.

    •  More like the 20's, minus Prohibition. (0+ / 0-)

      These regressives clearly think that they want to live in a society before the "New Deal." Actually, they only think that they do.  They want social programs when they need them to benefit their families and friends but don't want them for the "undeserving", who include anyone else.

      As their highly revered Ronald Reagan said "there wasn't a race problem before the 1950s." Until something enters their consciousness, it doesn't exist.  Until they see the value in something (how it will benefit them), it has no value, or, more often, is bad.  

      It would be nice for each of us if we could cherry-pick all those things that we value and eliminate the rest, but only children and Republicans seem to think that it is possible to do so.  As for me, I'd eliminate much of the defense budget and subsidies to most industries that receive them; however, I pay my taxes and take the bad with the good.  It is disconcerting, however, that these regressives want to eliminate the good and increase the bad.

      •  At any rate, whether it's the '50's, the '20's or (2+ / 0-)
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        the 1880's, the gop wants to regress and would rather destroy the country than go forward or accept the reality of change.

        You can't make this stuff up.

        by David54 on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 04:12:07 PM PST

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