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  •  Wrong again (10+ / 0-)

    The idea that red light and speed enforcement cameras are only about revenue is exactly incorrect. Of course, some cameras are used (or abused) in that way, just as traditional speed traps have been and continue to be used as a revenue source for years and years. But they make money because so many people violate the rules and drive in a way that is dangerous to those with whom they share the roads.

    Pedestrians and bikers are dying every single day because of uncontrolled speeding and red-light running. Here in NYC, the estimate is that more than a million drivers run red lights each day. Enforcement cameras are proven effective, in study after study, to reduce these violations, protect pedestrians' and cyclists' right-of-way, and save lives.

    If the only purpose of a road were to allow drivers to get where they're going with no impediments at all, then perhaps these tools wouldn't be important. But roads and streets are public spaces that belong to all of us, and speed limits and traffic lights are there to protect our safety. Drivers (of which I am one) may not like it when they're caught, but there's an easy way to avoid that -- drive at the speed limit, and stop at right lights.

    Transportation advocates like Transportation Alternatives in NY have been fighting for more cameras, and it has nothing to do with government revenue.

    •  Have to disagree. (7+ / 0-)

      I pass a speed enforcement camera every day on my commute.  There are two kinds of cars that pass that camera.  One, cars who don't know it's there and speed on unaffected.  These people get tickets later, but the camera has no effect on their speed at the time and do nothing to enhance the safety of the adjacent school.

      The other cars are those who know it's there and slow down in the enforcement spot, then speed up again as soon as they're past.  For these cars, there is minimal effect on school safety, but they don't get a ticket.

      In short, this camera does nothing to enhance pedestrian safety, but it does generate revenue.

      You can't spell CRAZY without R-AZ.

      by rb608 on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 02:38:33 PM PST

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      •  Accident rates increase with cameras (1+ / 0-)
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        http://www.caranddriver.com/...

        It's a 2 page article, worth reading in full, so you can understand how the "safety" data are being manipulated, but here are a few choice quotes:

        In Charlotte, North Carolina, station WBTV had this to say, "Three years, 125,000 tickets, and $6 million in fines later, the number of accidents at intersections in Charlotte has gone down less than one percent. And the number of rear-end accidents, which are much more common, has gone up 15 percent."

        In Greensboro, the News & Record reports, "There has not been a drop in the number of accidents caused by red-light violations citywide since the first cameras were installed in February 2001. There were 95 such accidents in Greensboro in 2001, the same number as in 2000. And at the 18 intersections with cameras, the number of wrecks caused by red-light running has doubled."

        The granddaddy of all studies, covering a 10-year period, was done for the Australian Road Research Board in 1995 (cameras went up in Melbourne in 1984). Photo enforcement "did not provide any reduction in accidents, rather there has been increases in rear end and [cross-street] accidents," wrote author David Andreassen in the page-one summary.

    •  Um, no. (8+ / 0-)

      I used to work for a speed/red light camera company. There was one and only one reason they existed: for the money. They didn't care about safety.

      The state law allowed red light tickets for people who had stopped, but their front tires crossed ever so slightly across the crosswalk line. Ticketing those people did exactly nothing to enhance safety, but those tickets got sent, and held up in court.

      The state law required tickets be sent within 14 days of the violation occurring. Many were sent out after that, on the fairly sound theory that most people either wouldn't know that or would have thrown out the envelope with the postmark on it that would prove it was mailed too late.

      A large batch of tickets had the wrong information on the location of the camera. The font with that info was miniscule. "Send the tickets anyway, most people probably won't check!" $$$

      And that's not even counting the more egregious issue of the (in)accuracy of the cameras. The company counted on people not taking the time to go to court to contest their ticket. And the judges in this particular county were guaranteed to require that the defendant prove they weren't speeding. One managed to do that with image overlay software that showed that, given timestamps and distances travelled, they COULDN'T be going the speed they were accused of. Didn't matter.

      The whole dirty business is just a scam.

      I’m tired of sacrificing lives on the altar of the Second Amendment. - Mark Damico

      by Hastur on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 03:39:22 PM PST

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      •  Impeding the crosswalk doesn't affect safety? WTF? (1+ / 0-)
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        Let me guess - you drive everywhere and get annoyed when a pedestrian tries to cross.

        warning: snark probably above

        by NE2 on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 05:33:09 PM PST

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        •  No, and no. (3+ / 0-)
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          I don't drive everywhere and when I do, I yield willingly to pedestrians.

          We're not talking about impeding a crosswalk. We're talking about people who tried to stop for a red light, and couldn't quite do it without going slightly - I mean centimeters - over the line.

          If you're going to get a ticket anyway, you might as well barrel on through the red light as try to stop. I doubt this helps the cause of safety.

          I’m tired of sacrificing lives on the altar of the Second Amendment. - Mark Damico

          by Hastur on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 06:19:57 PM PST

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