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  •  yes they did (2+ / 0-)
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    Glenn45, dewtx

    as soon as the anti-discrimination law passed they chose to continue in a line of work inherently at odds with their extremist beliefs.

    Get up off their lazy asses and find another job.  They are not entitled to continue in pursing their business in a way that violates the law.  The People of Oregon, through their elected representatives, voted and they don't want this kind of discrimination.

    Also - Rich in PA - can you show me one example where these MORAL bakers and florists refused to serve a couple who had premarital sex?  Divorced people remarrying?

    They certainly PICK AND CHOOSE - don't they? DON'T THEY?  Am I wrong? Or are YOU wrong?

    Really, really, it's time to cut the shit here.  This isn't about morality or religious beliefs.  It's about bigotry and hatred.  NO ONE IS FOOLED BY THEIR CRAP.  Or yours.

    My heroes have the heart to live the life I want to live.

    by JLFinch on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 05:42:18 PM PST

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    •  no response, Rich in PA? (0+ / 0-)

      that's what I thought.

      My heroes have the heart to live the life I want to live.

      by JLFinch on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 06:17:36 PM PST

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      •  My response is that I think I'm right. (1+ / 0-)
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        I don't think it's the job of government to care about whether people acting in purely private roles treat other people decently.    The specific question is whether all businesses operate by definition in the public sphere to the point where they should be subject to nondiscrimination laws, and I don't think so. I don't see how barring a florist from refusing to sell to a same-sex couple preserves my right to boycott Walmart; more than that, I place some non-trivial value ("because freedom" as Hunter would say) on the florist's right to make decisions against him or her commercial interest, out of some depraved notion of what God likes and doesn't.

        My comments are coming from a place of love.

        by Rich in PA on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 06:52:05 PM PST

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        •  Serving the Public (3+ / 0-)
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          When you open your doors to the public, you are not acting in a purely private role. In your living room, where you don't open your doors to the public, OK. But not in a store.

          Bigots are going to have to hide behind the privilege we still allow to churches to deny service to people on unprovable metaphysical statements. They want to be hetero-only bakers, they're going to have to exclusively serve the church. Jesus will take mercy on their souls, and save their businesses, or just love them when they're broke.

          "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

          by DocGonzo on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 09:39:45 PM PST

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        •  So if you open a public diner and refuse to serve (0+ / 0-)

          blacks because in your most-deeply-held religion blacks carry the "mark of Cain" (or whatever other nonsense) and should be shunned, that would be OK? I thought this was settled nearly 50 years ago. Do we have to keep fighting the same battle over and over again? If you are in a business that serves the public, then serve the damn public, or get out of that damn business!

          The same applies to those (thankfully few) pharmacists working in public pharmacies who refuse to sell legal drugs and prescriptions to those who offend their oh-so-delicate personal religious beliefs. Or if the use of alcohol offends your personal or religious beliefs, you shouldn't look for a job in a liquor store--unless you can refrain from imposing your personal religious beliefs on others while there, then go for it.

          But if the cause be not good, the king himself hath a heavy reckoning to make, ... there are few die well that die in a battle; ... Now, if these men do not die well, it will be a black matter for the king that led them to it; — Shakespeare, ‘Henry V’

          by dewtx on Sun Nov 24, 2013 at 10:59:55 AM PST

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