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  •  Totally agree. (4+ / 0-)

    Unfortunately, Johnson doesn't get the credit he deserves for doing the hard work to get Kennedy's vision enacted such as the Space Program and Civil Rights legislation.

    •  As do I. nt (0+ / 0-)

      "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

      by Lily O Lady on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 02:17:22 PM PST

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    •  Agree, LBJ was bold and highly experienced (0+ / 0-)

      on pushing an excellent domestic agenda through Congress.   It's hard to imagine where we would be without his list of legislative accomplishments.

      No Medicare or Medicaid, no social safety net, Voting Rights Act or Civil Rights Act, etc, etc.  And in the Dem presidential tradition, he presided over a healthy, productive economy that saw major growth in the middle class.

      Vietnam was a mistake, but he has many great accomplishments that are often overlooked.  

      If cutting Social Security & Medicare benefits for low income seniors is what Democrats do after they win a budget standoff, I'd hate to see what they do after they lose one.

      by Betty Pinson on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 02:58:03 PM PST

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      •  some of them he got because JFK was martyred (0+ / 0-)

        but of course he's likely the most skillful President in history in getting what he wanted out of Congress. But didn't he have Dem majorities in both Houses, too?

        Vietnam was a huge turning point in our country. If we didn't have the Vietnam war there would be a huge rippling effect in subsequent history. Maybe Gore would have won for all we know! Maybe we'd not have had a Republican dominated SC so if he didn't they wouldn't have decided the 2000 election. If he did, maybe they wouldn't have succeeded in swiftboating Kerry and he'd have won.
        No Iraq War. Who knows if they'd have been even a 9/11?

        Without the Vietnam War and Iraq war thousands of Americans and at least hundreds of thousands (I don't know Vietnamese statistics) of civilians would not have been killed.

        Maybe without Iraq and Vietnam and a string of Dem Presidents the whole place the USA occupies in the world would be different.

        Saving all those innocent lives would be a big deal...if JFK were not killed so many Vietnamese would be alive today

        •  Um, about a 2-1 Dem majority (0+ / 0-)

          following the 64 election.  Gee, even I could pass legislation with that kind of advantage.

          And before that, the CR bill of 64, maj leader Mansfield played a huge role in the nifty strategy of taking the bill directly to the floor for debate and vote -- contra the traditionalist approach thru committee contemplated by Johnson.  Sen Humphrey also was crucial, buttering up the skeptical, reluctant minority leader Dirksen, who had to be catered to mightily for months before he got on board to vote for cloture.

          Not saying Johnson didn't play a role, but his effort was probably not the deciding factor.  And given the alleged magical persuasive power of LBJ, I don't recall him swaying any southern Dems to do the right thing.  Didn't they have skeletons in their closet?

          •  have you meant to respond to someone else? (0+ / 0-)

            I'm not the one who's heavily arguing for Johnson.

            I've read historians who say Johnson was incredibly skillful in dealing with Congress. I think it was a recent biographer who said that Johnson had the goods on people, and had done other's favors that still counted back then.

            He can still be incredibly skillful and also have the fortune of a hefty Dem majority. I wasn't saying he did it on his own. I was affirming the parent comment that Johnson was skillful because he was. Before I launched into my own speculation

            If you were replying to me, I'll say I don't understand why so often people here have to be condescending and say "Um, Gee..." I usually save that for Republicans who do not share good intent or well meaningness when they express their opinions. Or, for someone who is being completely insulting.
            You know more about the details of things. I was just being agreeable to the prior/parent poster by using what I'd heard about Johnson's skills as a politician, at least in the Senate.

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