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  •  I've never been a fan of Thanksgiving. (18+ / 0-)

    I've never been able to see it as anything other than a hypocritical celebration of the destruction of Native American society.

    It'll be no surprise I voted for Labor Day in the poll, since there wasn't a May Day option.

    When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

    by PhilJD on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 02:15:12 PM PST

    •  Complain, complain, complainer are you.. (8+ / 0-)

      No May Day option.

      I promise you -- my next diary will include that ;)

    •  It was originally proclaimed by Washington as a (4+ / 0-)

      thanksgiving for the Constitution.  It just got muddied-up with the pilgrim thing...

      Whereas it is the duty of all Nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly to implore his protection and favor-- and whereas both Houses of Congress have by their joint Committee requested me to recommend to the People of the United States a day of public thanksgiving and prayer to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many signal favors of Almighty God especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness.

      Now therefore I do recommend and assign Thursday the 26th day of November next to be devoted by the People of these States to the service of that great and glorious Being, who is the beneficent Author of all the good that was, that is, or that will be-- That we may then all unite in rendering unto him our sincere and humble thanks--for his kind care and protection of the People of this Country previous to their becoming a Nation--for the signal and manifold mercies, and the favorable interpositions of his Providence which we experienced in the course and conclusion of the late war--for the great degree of tranquility, union, and plenty, which we have since enjoyed--for the peaceable and rational manner, in which we have been enabled to establish constitutions of government for our safety and happiness, and particularly the national One now lately instituted--for the civil and religious liberty with which we are blessed; and the means we have of acquiring and diffusing useful knowledge; and in general for all the great and various favors which he hath been pleased to confer upon us.

      and also that we may then unite in most humbly offering our prayers and supplications to the great Lord and Ruler of Nations and beseech him to pardon our national and other transgressions-- to enable us all, whether in public or private stations, to perform our several and relative duties properly and punctually--to render our national government a blessing to all the people, by constantly being a Government of wise, just, and constitutional laws, discreetly and faithfully executed and obeyed--to protect and guide all Sovereigns and Nations (especially such as have shewn kindness unto us) and to bless them with good government, peace, and concord--To promote the knowledge and practice of true religion and virtue, and the encrease of science among them and us--and generally to grant unto all Mankind such a degree of temporal prosperity as he alone knows to be best.

      Given under my hand at the City of New York the third day of October in the year of our Lord 1789.

      Go: Washington

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      by dizzydean on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 02:31:45 PM PST

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      •  It's a much older custom than that (2+ / 0-)
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        usually related to having just won some battle or war or whatever. For example there was a general Thanksgiving declared in November 1760 after the British (including many New England regiments) took Montreal from the French. And I believe it first became a regular or generally observed holiday during the Civil War, on the Union side only.

        So it's traditional, and has lost its original religious meaning, and also (thank goodness) has lost its military overtones. Civic holidays are like that, quasi-religious -- but at least Thanksgiving can now be enjoyed by all Americans regardless of ethnicity or religious preference (or none).

    •  Ya, there's that. (5+ / 0-)

      "It is easier to pass through the eye of a needle then it is to be an honest politician."

      by BigAlinWashSt on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 02:33:07 PM PST

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    •  Years ago I had a long online conversation (4+ / 0-)

      with Meteor Blades about equating Thanksgiving with the destruction of Native American society.  I was dismayed - Thanksgiving is my favorite holiday because it was the one holiday untainted by religion for which my family had traditions when I was growing up.

      I am not entirely ignorant about the history of the Native Americans, but it did not occur to me to equate the atrocities, purposeful and accidental, that decimated the population to the arrival of the Pilgrims.  I can understand that reasoning in retrospect though.

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      by slowbutsure on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 03:47:39 PM PST

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      •  Yes we liked it because no church involved but (4+ / 0-)

        then sometime in the 80s, churches started holding Thanksgiving Eve services and my husband and I watched another holiday ruined by family members trying to get us to go to church with them and harping on that.

        But then again, Labor Day and Memorial Day and Veterans Day were not associated with religion but then again, my husband always had to work those holidays.

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        by wishingwell on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 04:10:24 PM PST

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    •  I voted for Labor Day too. (2+ / 0-)
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