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  •  Indeed (7+ / 0-)

    It may well be a correct decision, but would still be painful for a lot of decent people, and I find the insinuation that a typical minister is living high on the hog off the taxpayers' backs to be dishonest and unnecessary rhetoric.  My uncle was an Episcopal priest before retirement.  They never had any money.

    •  Nobody said what you claim, nor insinuated it, (6+ / 0-)

      but it is a moot point anyway. Who gives a shit about their standard beyond their parishoners? They chose that career and that group of clientele, it is/was their call from day one.

      That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

      by enhydra lutris on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 06:37:43 PM PST

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      •  Precisely (1+ / 0-)
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        enhydra lutris

        For a lot of Americans living rent free in exchange for a few hours of chanting gibberish  a week would be "living high on the hog" even with no salary at all.

        Priests are not better people than you or I. They just say they are.

        •  Sad to see someone pontificate from (2+ / 0-)
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          TrueBlueMajority, Catte Nappe

          such ignorance.

          Most clergy work 60+ hours a week. 24/7, pretty much, on call.

          Not the loathed televangelists, but let's set aside the folks who are just abusers from the get-go and focus on the 99.99%.

          Called at 3 am to go to the hospital to be with a family who've just had a kid in a serious auto-accident. And to help them navigate the systems while they're in shock. And to deal with all the emotional trauma. And to decide if--and when--to pull the plug. And still need to show up for the 10 am meeting with the local government to weigh in on why the laws they want to pass that will abuse the local homeless population are terrible and wrong. Again. And Again. Then go help some nearly homeless veterans who are screwed up and screwed over, and need help, and don't trust most people, and not the government. Back for vague institutional meetings that keep things running (institutions being what institutions are). Meeting with the couple who wants to get married -- and aren't members of the church, but you're expected to provide the service because they like your old, quaint building. And you have to decide if they're "ok" as a couple, as in is one of them an abuser? Is someone an addict? Because clergy try to discourage people who are making bad decisions (or good decisions in the wrong way at the wrong time). And a kid who grew up in the congregation wants to come talk about refusing to sign up for the Selective Service because he's a dedicated pacifist and....

          And. And. And.

          And that's before you get the call asking is you can do a memorial service for a family that's got no connection with the congregation, but their brilliant 18 year old committed suicide, and there are several hundred family, friends, classmates... who are bereft and devastated and need some kind of help and handholding.

          Read up on some data and statistics on what the "high on the hog" life really consists of, and what it tends to do to those who take it on.

          You're clueless.

          There are good reasons that people like my mentor give the advice that if there is anything else you think you can do with your life that would be fulfilling, do that. Enter the clergy only because you must, because that is what you really have to do.

          Sure, there are abuses. Target the abuses and abusers. But most of what we spend our days and evenings and weekends doing is extremely low profile. You'd only know what you were talking about if you actually educated yourself, rather than just indulged in an opinion that you like, a la Redstate.

          "Be just and good." John Adams to Thomas Jefferson

          by ogre on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 07:38:44 AM PST

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          •  yesterday, on what was supposed to be my day off (2+ / 0-)
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            Catte Nappe, ogre

            i spent hours trying to get help for a parishioner dealing with a domestic violence situation

            if there is anything else you think you can do with your life that would be fulfilling, do that. Enter the clergy only because you must, because that is what you really have to do.
            i was not told this, but I tell it to everyone who asks me about life in ministry

            Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D.
            Drop by The Grieving Room on Monday nights for support in dealing with grief.

            by TrueBlueMajority on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 10:04:35 AM PST

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        •  we were just joking about this the other day (1+ / 0-)
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          Catte Nappe

          people think we work one day a week, or just a couple of hours a week

          i'd be LMFAO if it weren't so misinformed

          Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D.
          Drop by The Grieving Room on Monday nights for support in dealing with grief.

          by TrueBlueMajority on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 10:02:28 AM PST

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