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  •  Nope. (5+ / 0-)

    Not many.

    I've never met one. And I've met a lot of them, since I am one.

    No suit allowance. Not even a t-shirt allowance. For myself or anyone else that I've heard of. Nor car allowances, etc., etc.

    "Be just and good." John Adams to Thomas Jefferson

    by ogre on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 07:36:32 PM PST

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    •  my late father in law had such an arrangement (1+ / 0-)
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      and my brother is currently in hot water with IRS over his deducting his suits as a necessary professional expense.
      Here is a list of allowances various churches have been known to provide to ministers:
      https://www.startchurch.com/...
      Please note a clothing allowance is mentioned:

          Car allowance
          Water bill
          Cell phone
          Heating bill
          Home phone
          Clothing bill
          Insurance
          Personal expense fund
          Gasoline
          Pastor's aide
          Light bill
          Gifts

      •  "In hot water" (0+ / 0-)

        "Be just and good." John Adams to Thomas Jefferson

        by ogre on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 07:39:55 AM PST

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      •  Further (1+ / 0-)
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        It's important to give quotations in complete context.

        Here's what yours should have been.

        With the exception of the housing allowance, there is no other section in the IRS code that allows churches to pay the minister any type of allowance to cover personal expenses and it be tax free. Below are some examples of allowances that churches pay to ministers.

        Car allowance
        Water bill
        Cell phone
        Heating bill
        Home phone
        Clothing bill
        Insurance
        Personal expense fund
        Gasoline
        Pastor's aide
        Light bill
        Gifts

        Income tax regulations require that any and all money given to the pastor be reported as income unless certain requirements are met.

        So people have been paid for those things. And they've probably really had to claim them as income. Unless specific hurdles could be cleared.

        Like the cell phone -- the one that has a number for parishioners to call 24/7 with pastoral emergencies. Whatever they think one of those is. That gets used almost exclusively for that, and to return such calls, or for other church related business.

        The IDEA that such a thing might be paid for by the church--shocking. The IDEA that it might even be tax deductible and not an item of income--also shocking.

        So they are things that might be paid and not income. But far from a given, and you'd better be able to prove it. And no, suits don't count, because they're clothing one could wear elsewhere, too, for secular purposes at secular events. And you likely do.

        But not, say, a liturgical stole. Different story.

        "Be just and good." John Adams to Thomas Jefferson

        by ogre on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 08:59:38 AM PST

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      •  from your own linked article (1+ / 0-)
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        Under the law, these allowances are 100% taxable and must be reported in the minister's W-2 form as income.  With the exception of the housing allowance, there is no other section in the IRS code that allows churches to pay the minister any type of allowance to cover personal expenses and it be tax free.

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        by TrueBlueMajority on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 10:13:17 AM PST

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