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  •  Excellent Diary (19+ / 0-)

    I just wanted to add a link to FOW's previous diary on Malala's statement to Obama.

    (Even though she's just a nominee for the Nobel, not an actual "winner". Cough. )

    "I thanked President Obama for the United States' work in supporting education in Pakistan and Afghanistan and for Syrian refugees," she said in the statement. "I also expressed my concerns that drone attacks are fueling terrorism. Innocent victims are killed in these acts, and they lead to resentment among the Pakistani people. If we refocus efforts on education it will make a big impact."
    I think she chose her words well.

    "Fueling" terrorism.

    •  Malala - was just going to post that myself (10+ / 0-)

      If she, great soul that she is and wise beyond her years, was willing to confound the narrative and confront the President directly and publicly about the drones,we should all really listen.

      She is, after all, from NW Pakistan and the victim of a Taliban attack.  You might think she would welcome the drones if they were truly effective in eliminating the Taliban. Instead, she stood up to the president of the most powerful military in the world and gently, diplomatically told him he was wrong.

      Malala or Obama for the Nobel - who would you choose?

      •  malala is wonderful. (0+ / 0-)

        But is she really qualified to determine what is the best strategy for America? Drone strikes have ugly consequences, true. But did she tell Obama what possible alternative strategies would actually be better? She's an idealistic young person, and that's great. But I trust Barack Obama more when it comes to geopolitics.

        •  . (0+ / 0-)

          Your concern and admiration have been noted.

          This all started with "what the Republicans did to language".

          by lunachickie on Sun Nov 24, 2013 at 05:18:07 PM PST

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        •  Uh, yes she did (0+ / 0-)

          Go back and read her statement again.
          Did you also trust the drone policy under Bush?  
          Or the Bush policies that Obama has continued?  
          ?

          Passing a law that the Constitution doesn't allow does not negate the Constitution, it negates the law that was passed. Secret courts can't make up secret laws. SORRY FOR THE TYPOS :)

          by snoopydawg on Sun Nov 24, 2013 at 05:41:36 PM PST

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          •  Bush sent thousands of boots on (0+ / 0-)

            the ground to die. Obama has kept America safe and reduced our military casualties every year. That's a pretty good track record.

            •  Let's be clear (1+ / 0-)
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               Obama has kept America safe and reduced our military casualties every year. That's a pretty good track record.
              Actually that only proves that Obama has a better track record than Bush. A rather low standard. That doesn't prove he has a good one.
                 Compared to Clinton's record, Obama has a poor track record.

              None are so hopelessly enslaved, as those who falsely believe they are free. The truth has been kept from the depth of their minds by masters who rule them with lies. -Johann von Goethe

              by gjohnsit on Sun Nov 24, 2013 at 06:28:55 PM PST

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              •  Really? I thought that Obama (0+ / 0-)

                killed bin Laden, and Clinton missed his opportunity. Obama has been the best foreign policy president we've had in 50 years.

                •  Records (1+ / 0-)
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                  Clinton didn't get us into any wars until the very end (a poor decision), and that conflict didn't have a single American casualty.

                    Clinton nealy managed to bring Isreal and Palestine to a permanent peace.

                    Clinton was respected by foreign leaders around the world for his diplomatic skills.

                   Personally I judge a president's foreign policy skills by his ability to avoid American's being killed and a lack of wars. Not by large body counts.

                  None are so hopelessly enslaved, as those who falsely believe they are free. The truth has been kept from the depth of their minds by masters who rule them with lies. -Johann von Goethe

                  by gjohnsit on Sun Nov 24, 2013 at 07:06:50 PM PST

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                •  Good god (2+ / 0-)
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                  Obama has the CIA and JSOC in between 75-125 countries now.
                  He is building a huge drone base in Africa.
                  He has a fucking kill list and has assasinated 3 US citizens without due process.
                  He has dropped more bombs by drones in his first 3 months then Bush did during 8 years.
                  Over 4,500 innocent people have died from his bombs.
                  He has reneged on bringing troops home from Afghanistan and is keeping then there for another 10 years.
                  I guess you missed the Boston bombing that happened on Obama's watch even after he was warned.
                  Somalia, Yemen, Pakistan and other countries would disagree with your pronouncement that he has been the best on foreign policy.
                  Wake up!  
                  See the real facts, not the ones you believe in.

                  Passing a law that the Constitution doesn't allow does not negate the Constitution, it negates the law that was passed. Secret courts can't make up secret laws. SORRY FOR THE TYPOS :)

                  by snoopydawg on Sun Nov 24, 2013 at 11:52:39 PM PST

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        •  You said as much (0+ / 0-)

          About a month and half ago, and we're well-aware of how you feel about the president, who, I'll remind you, has not experienced things through quite the same lens as she has.

          Besides, who's suggested she become a national security/foreign policy advisor? Sounds like a straw man to me.




          Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ J. Garcia

          by DeadHead on Sun Nov 24, 2013 at 07:38:05 PM PST

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